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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right good evening Fade to Black I'm

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your host Jimmy church today is Tuesday

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Tuesday April 4th 2023 tonight's Craig

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campobaso is with us we're going to be

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talking about his new book I have it

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right here I am reading it it's already

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a little bent up the UFO Hot Spot we're

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going to be talking about that tonight

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different locations around the country

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and uh a few other spots too as well and

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uh and and much more so that is

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tonight's and

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um Craig

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um over the years you know he's been in

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in in uh film he's been in television

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um he has appeared on on many radio

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shows including you know coast to coast

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and over here but uh he's also a

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producer and he's a casting director he

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produced the short film stranger at the

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Pentagon

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um which came from you know Dr Frank E

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stage uh Strange's book and

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um he also has uh cast many films and uh

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I've talked about those films on this

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show and I've talked about the casting

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of those films and every time I do that

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the director somebody involved with the

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it's all about Craig campobasso it's all

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about Craig and it is he is a big part

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of our UFO Community he's a great friend

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and he's really talented and his latest

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book is out I've got it we're going to

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be talking about all that and much more

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Craig's links are below and of course

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over at jimmychurchradio.com I would

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like to welcome back to fade to black

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seems like I haven't seen him for a

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couple of days yeah two whole days

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how you doing my friend I'm good how you

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doing that was a great conference man I

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loved it and you know know it was in my

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neck of the woods for a change it was

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kind of in your neck of the woods you

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know you didn't have to get on a plane

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uh there was there was that part and uh

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of course we're talking about the

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parapod festival and and Craig was there

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and he's he's at all the conferences but

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um uh I I lived down the street and you

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know about 20 miles away or so you know

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you're in the neighborhood and I was

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debating I was like man do I do I get it

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do I get a hotel or do I just drive home

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every night I was like nah nah so uh I

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ended up staying there and and glad that

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I did because uh we just stayed up all

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night and you know I was able to get up

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early and and do all of those things and

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it was it was so much fun you're right

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though right in the hood man

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in the hood yeah did you get a chance

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um uh to go up to mentryville

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no I did not actually I uh I was still

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working on my PowerPoint right in that

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day but I really wanted to go you know

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how lame that is of an excuse

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that is just so like it was well I I the

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the other part was it was four hours

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long and I you know four hours is a long

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time now you could just your comp a

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possible man you do what you want you

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just walk around act like you own the

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place like you always do man it's right

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talk about in the hood yeah you know

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it's a ghost town five minutes from your

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house yeah did you know it was there I

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didn't know mentryville was there but I

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know other stuff that are in New Hall

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uh William Hart yeah silent film actor

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that part of uh those properties are

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haunted yeah complain and yeah and and I

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have a friend that lives out here who's

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into all of this stuff and she took me

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around to a few really haunted places

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where she said that things come uh that

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literally people see people staring back

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at them through the window

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and and another interesting thing that

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she told me was right here in Santa

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uh she was at one point living in an

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apartment that was close to being off

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the freeway off the 14 and she was

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talking on her phone and she had a

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sliding glass door and uh on her patio

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she turned and looked and there was a

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teenage Sasquatch standing on her patio

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looking at her and she totally wigged

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out and the Sasquatch wigged out and uh

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and she called the police and they said

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oh don't worry that's that's monkey boy

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we we know of monkey boy he's very

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harmless he comes through the drains and

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he's just very curious

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that that's what the police said that's

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what the police told her is what she

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told me so uh I just found that that

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very interesting I didn't call him a

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Bigfoot because he was you know he was

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an adolescent so I don't know what we

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call adolescent Bigfoot specs well I

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wolf right well and

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uh really quick I mean I mentioned uh to

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you uh at the conference uh I've really

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been enjoying uh your social media post

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of late not that I didn't enjoy it

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before right

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um uh like can we can we talk about well

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let's talk about you can we talk about

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her sure

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your your post

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um in this is

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is what I enjoy about living in Los

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Angeles you know this area Burbank

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Studio City Sherman Oaks Encino Tarzana

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Northridge Granada Hills it is Rich with

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people that work in film and television

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that's what everybody does right yeah

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and everybody has got their stories and

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and contact if if anybody living in the

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valley you know goes back and visits

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their family in Nashville right they go

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back to Chicago

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um you know hey have uh have you ever

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met Michael J fox whatever right right

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uh actually yeah I saw him this morning

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at Starbucks and that's that's that's

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our lives out here right and and I'm I'm

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really used to it but but you you're

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you're in the industry that's what you

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do

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um uh when you're not writing UFO books

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you're a casting director you're a

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director screenwriter you're an author

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of of course but

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your career you've been going back into

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the archives and and posting the

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pictures of the the handsome version of

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of Craig campobaso

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with uh your clients and and people that

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you have worked with over the years yeah

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I'm just like I'm I don't know who's

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gonna pop up next Elvis you know who's

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gonna pop up next in your social media

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feed uh it's uh tell everybody about

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your career and who you've worked with

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well I started acting when I was 15 and

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then uh I graduated high school at age

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17 I moved out of my parents house I

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worked two jobs supported myself and my

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own one-bedroom apartment in the valley

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uh and then I got offered a job on David

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Lynch's Dune and I worked on that for

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four years and the first year it was

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just me David Rafaela DiLaurentis and a

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couple of secretaries so

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um you know so we all got to know each

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other really really well and uh it was

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sort of my tutelage into learning all

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about the film business right in every

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way shape and form you know I loved

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Anthony Masters who you know was our

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production designer and

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um uh Jane Jenkins cast the the film so

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I was there I got to sit between

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raphaela and Jane when we screen tested

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all the guys for Paula dib uh you know

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that was really uh exciting you know a

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lot of people don't know yeah I mean

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Kevin Costner when he wasn't famous yet

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he he screen tested Val Kilmer actually

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was pretty much Paul mod dib up until

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the point Kyle McLaughlin was found and

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you know what I mean I could see I could

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see I could see Val doing that yeah yeah

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well in that part yeah yeah he he hung

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out with us a lot because he was the

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leading Contender until one of uh James

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um Associates Elizabeth lustig found

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Kyle up in a theater up in Seattle we

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flew him down I went and picked him up

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at the airport I brought him to the

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hotel and got him you know told him to

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uh change I was gonna take him to go

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meet David and he met David and David

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was very excited about him and then uh

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the screen test proved it I mean even in

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my young young age I mean once he did it

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I was just like that's the guy that's

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the guy and you know I remember Raphael

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is sort of leaning over to me and she

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said do you think we should change his

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last name and I said no no he's got a

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great last name what did he do first

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blue velvet or Dune no he did June 1st

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Dino signed him to a eight picture deal

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just like he signed Jessica Lange to a

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eight picture deal when she did uh King

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Kong and she didn't want to do a lot of

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those movies so she didn't work for

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quite some time and

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um anyway I saw her a few years ago and

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I I don't know her I I was at an event

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for uh that uh show she did for Ryan

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Murphy with Joan Crawford where she

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played Joan Crawford yeah and I she did

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uh American Horror Story too yes yeah

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American Horror Story she uh anyway I

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went up and I said look I said you know

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you got your start with De Laurentiis I

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got my start and she and she said a few

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expletives yeah in a good way saying and

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we are both blank blank still here

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have you forgotten more than you

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remember because once you once you're in

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you know the flow of of production and

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casting and and working with production

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companies this stuff goes by like a blur

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do you go back and go that's right I

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worked with Burt Reynolds or you know oh

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that's right I forgot I I I did that do

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you find yourself doing that

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well I will tell you when I was a kid I

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the the people I wanted to meet and work

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with were Mel Brooks Burt Reynolds

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Phyllis Diller Dom DeLuise uh you know

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all the funny great Comedians

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and uh when I was on uh Spielberg's

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Amazing Stories is when I first got to

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work with Bert and he uh he directed one

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of the episodes

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and he was one of the kindest people I

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had ever met in fact there's a little

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autographed picture of him right there

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he just brought it into me one day and I

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had already signed it and gave it to me

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um you know I'll tell you a funny story

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he said you know Craig I don't know

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where the set is uh on the Sound Stage

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can you take me there and I said would

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you want to go the way of the tour buses

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or do you want to go around the back way

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he goes oh the tour buses of course so

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we go and one one bus is coming down and

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we don't really hear the guy talking

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over the thing and it was a group of

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um Japanese tourists who didn't speak

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English so they weren't really saying

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anything over the calm and you know

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Bert's standing there and and he's like

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okay now we're waiting for the next one

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right so so we waited for it and then it

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came down and of course they all went

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crazy easy the tram stopped and

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everybody got pictures of them so

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um I uh my next door neighbor was an

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actor his name is Eamonn Roche and you

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you might even know Amy and and uh he

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was in the mask with a Jim Carrey and a

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bunch of films and he was in uh this

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Rodney Dangerfield uh film yeah with

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Burt Reynolds right and so I'm I'm

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watching the movie and there's this

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scene uh with Eamon and and Bert uh

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alone in this room they're doing this

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thing and Bert slaps him right right

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it's it's it's it's it's in the scene

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and I'm like man

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that looked like it stung like I don't

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think that was a sound effect right

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right so

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um Eamon who had given me the DVD and

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were uh passing in the hallway

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um uh we lived next door to each other

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dude did I ask you a question and he

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goes yeah man I said Burt Reynolds yeah

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he said Bert turned to him and he goes

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okay man we're acting now okay so just

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go with it yeah man he's like Ben it's

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Burt Reynolds I mean we're doing our

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I took it I took it it's Bert and he

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said it was great and I was like I knew

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that was real oh man it was just so

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funny but Bert said man get ready man

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we're acting Eric

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he was the coolest I mean I I I got to

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work with him several times the last

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time was on a movie uh with him Raquel

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Welch which was so exciting for me

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because you know I've always been a big

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fan of hers Phyllis Diller I mean the

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cast just went on and on and on it was

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like so much fun and

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um you know and I look back and you know

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we've lost all these people now and uh

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you know and I did finally get to work

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with Mel Brooks on two projects uh thank

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God we still have him yeah yeah no

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kidding oh yeah new uh history of the

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World Part Two is hysterical oh man yeah

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Wanda Sykes is one of my favorite

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comedians ever ever you know everybody

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in that

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um first off Mel's a brilliant writer

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this time around though

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he's not concerned about being PC he

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never was but I'm talking about in

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today's world and and no no it it still

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melt but he is really pushing the

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boundaries of of good taste and I love

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that yeah comedy is about Manchester

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Expressway

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um our good friend Camille Harmon uh is

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in the chat and another great actor

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right there's there's Camille Camille

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how you doing

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um so okay

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um how did you uh this is this is how I

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segue into UFOs yeah you know where I've

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done uh two 3 000 uh interviews um I can

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do this pretty smoothly now how did you

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how do you go

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from that career

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into the world of UFOs

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um or or are they closer than than we

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can imagine well you know it's it's

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interesting because uh I never had an

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interest in UFOs uh never thought about

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what was out there in the big wide

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Cosmos uh I was just you know your

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average Valley guy went to work went out

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you know hung out with my friends on the

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weekend that kind of stuff and uh after

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I have finished uh the second season on

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Amazing Stories is when I say my own

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Amazing Story began

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because

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I had a major Spiritual Awakening where

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I went from being totally dormant

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to being quite awake at the end of two

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years being taken through this sort of

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Whirlwind of

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um

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uh Awakening which uh I can only explain

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it as if all the cell's body woke up

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and started communicating

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all of

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my past and started connecting into the

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universe and connecting into other

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worlds other societies

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um I would uh see it I would astral

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travel to these places and all of that

384
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so how that's how it opened up for me

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I'm just giving you wait you can't you

386
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can't just gloss over that yeah what

387
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what caused that I mean I mean that's

388
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that's a serious stopping of the car it

389
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is it is getting a right-hand turn well

390
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it it began

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um uh with

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in the regular dream state I would see

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these three beings two were extremely

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tall with very elongated heads one was a

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male one was a female

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wearing these incredible robes with a

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zillion lights in them and then a uh a

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blonde female woman

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as well

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and I would see them in the dream and

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then I would wake up and I would just

402
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feel

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was a lot of love that was coming from

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them and then it would just be out of my

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mind and this happened almost every

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night for a two-month period then the

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next two months

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I would be there in the dream and then I

409
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would wake up in the dream and realize

410
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that my soul body was where they were

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how old were you

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I was 26 when this began

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were you smoking really good weed no no

414
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no no I never like I never liked pot at

415
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all

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right you know I I say that in jest

417
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right yeah yeah but that well not really

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maybe

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um but at that age

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um to have a clear mind

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right without outside influences and to

422
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have this go on do you start thinking

423
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you're you're you're going crazy and did

424
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you talk to your friends about it

425
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um I didn't think that I was going crazy

426
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and I did talk to all of my friends

427
00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:01,640
about it and they didn't really

428
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:05,340
understand it but they didn't ridicule

429
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:09,059
me for it either because we were all all

430
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:11,820
just trying to figure it out I did see a

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metaphysical counselor who helped me

432
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through it

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um and uh and then the last two months

434
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:24,419
which would be the six months would be I

435
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:25,740
would go through those first two

436
00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:29,159
processes then I would wake up and their

437
00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:31,080
astral forms would be at the foot of my

438
00:21:37,090 --> 00:21:34,740
bed oh man well okay my first my

439
00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:37,100
response to that is that's freaking cool

440
00:21:44,049 --> 00:21:41,700
yeah but that's also uh pretty insane

441
00:21:45,610 --> 00:21:44,059
you know and were you were you

442
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:45,620
considering

443
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what this may be something that uh is

444
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:50,700
real

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um and is interdimensional that is

446
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reaching out some kind of entanglement

447
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:56,780
you know some kind of quantum connection

448
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,440
or did you think that it was real but

449
00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:04,260
real that it was manifested uh uh you

450
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:05,700
know from your own mind and

451
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Consciousness no at first I just sort of

452
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thought they were dreams until I started

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sing the astral forms in my bedroom and

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then uh and then after that six month

455
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period those beings fed into my body a

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golden light that ballooned into me and

457
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what it did is it it woke up all the

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cells in my body and for the next eight

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months

460
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every time I saw something like every

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time I saw the beauty behind the

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creation of something in my daily life

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whether it was a person a plant a

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ladybug whatever it was

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I would saw profusely for eight to ten

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minutes or up to 12 minutes

467
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and I just couldn't believe how

468
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beautiful everything was now this also

469
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:03,419
happened you know I had my casting

470
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office on Sunset Boulevard overlooking

471
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the whole city at that time and if an

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actor walked in all of a sudden I could

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feel their soul history

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and I could feel if they were right for

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the role or not but then I would feel

476
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the beauty behind their soul history

477
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because of the diversity that they

478
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they've had to overcome right right and

479
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I would have to excuse myself and go SOB

480
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in the other room and then come back in

481
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I honestly think I was never going to

482
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stop sobbing right so after that then

483
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all of a sudden uh then they uh ignited

484
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my light body which is when I started

485
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,159
astral traveling and then of course

486
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during meditations

487
00:24:04,610 --> 00:23:59,900
um in the mind internet is when I began

488
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:04,620
uh starting to interact with other

489
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:07,980
beings in this mind internet sometimes

490
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,200
they said something sometimes they did

491
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not right it's a very interesting

492
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,840
process because you get a click in the

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back of your neck here it goes like that

494
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and then all of a sudden they're

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vibrating on your inner eyelids and it's

496
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like I'm looking at you now as like how

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I was looking at them so the the whole

498
00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:35,220
process of this was

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for uh is what they had uh brought to me

500
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and said is that I had come here to be a

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writer

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and that they wanted me to sit down and

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start writing longhand on a legal pad

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right and right and right until I could

505
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:57,179
write no more don't stop don't edit keep

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going and so I did this and I was

507
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actually writing a book that it felt

508
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,140
like I was reading but it was coming

509
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,419
through my mind and through my hand now

510
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,760
I didn't know what channeling was I

511
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didn't know writing automatic writing I

512
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didn't know what any of that was I was

513
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so young and naive and so that's how it

514
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,720
began and that's and that's how the

515
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books of my book series The

516
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:25,980
Autobiography of an extraterrestrial

517
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:30,360
Saga were born so this is their

518
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information that they wanted to bring

519
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:36,299
here to Earth and there's so many

520
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,580
incredible spiritual learning and

521
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,760
lessons and and all of that and the lead

522
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:43,440
character

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00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:49,919
is a pleiadian man but he's dualistic

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now up there everyone is fully conscious

525
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but in every 200 000 births they'll be

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somebody born dualistic and this is so

527
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that the dualistic person will have

528
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,559
fully conscious people to feed off of

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and the fully conscious people will

530
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:09,059
become more understanding of how

531
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dualistic people are in their makeup

532
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:17,400
right so anyway so we go along the

533
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Journey of this man and we we the reader

534
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,320
become him and we learn how to become

535
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:28,679
fully conscious by book three

536
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,520
did you see uh Camille's comment no I

537
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,919
did I I didn't oh let me look she no

538
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:36,600
it's right there in front there we go

539
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:39,539
she says wow casting with soul history

540
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:49,430
so true that is just awesome and so

541
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,520
um uh which I don't I don't want that to

542
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,440
get away from me so let's back up for a

543
00:27:02,289 --> 00:26:58,559
second right what was the uh what was

544
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:02,299
the alien love story that Daryl Anka did

545
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:06,659
alienated alienated alienated you cast

546
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:11,460
that I did yeah and uh and uh this this

547
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:15,360
look I'm old I don't have a brain

548
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:18,539
um but the star her name is

549
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:21,620
uh Grace I can't remember her last name

550
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,140
loved her she's so she's so off Planet I

551
00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:27,600
just love her that's my question right

552
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,900
yes yeah you know as a as a casting

553
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:32,940
director and like you said you know

554
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,679
you've got you you know people are

555
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:36,960
coming in and and you're seeing straight

556
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,020
through them yeah and and what did you

557
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,760
do because she

558
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:44,640
um I went to Daryl I called Daryl

559
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,220
um before he was on the show

560
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,860
um I had I had seen the movie and so I

561
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,539
mean you know I just I'm in the car and

562
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,220
I picked up the phone and called Daryl

563
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:55,440
and he's like what's up I said hey Daryl

564
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:56,940
you know I don't want to interrupt your

565
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:57,900
day

566
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,380
Grace he goes yeah she's amazing I go

567
00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:04,980
dude because you can thank Craig I said

568
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:08,900
campobasa goes yeah I said man

569
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:11,940
she was so perfect for that part what

570
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,340
did you see okay so everybody if you

571
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:16,140
haven't seen alienated

572
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:20,820
it's a love story and she's the ET right

573
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:23,059
yes she's the alien E.T

574
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:30,179
and uh and uh an earth bound uh human uh

575
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:35,100
uh uh boy man uh uh young but I guess

576
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:40,980
would he be uh maybe 20 21 teenager well

577
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:44,279
no she's there they were like mid-20s

578
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:48,059
and 20s to late 20s that kind of thing

579
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,659
but younger you know not uh not old

580
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:53,039
anyway

581
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:54,539
um and that's what it is it's a love

582
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,200
story between an E.T and a human and a

583
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:01,440
human yeah and it is so well ever all

584
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:05,580
the casting in it uh was fantastic Grace

585
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:09,440
Grace embraced that part I mean

586
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:12,419
what did you see in her well the minute

587
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:15,779
I met her I you know you just get a Vibe

588
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:18,899
you just get a a feeling uh it just

589
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:22,559
clicked and I really felt that uh she

590
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,140
was really an old soul a really evolved

591
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,659
soul and and we all know what that means

592
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,520
you're not from here you're here

593
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,980
visiting you could be a starseed you

594
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,559
could just be coming in and you know

595
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:36,840
learning about Duality or whatever

596
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:40,320
because all planets are schools right or

597
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:43,500
this planet teaches duality

598
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:46,740
and uh and when I brought her to Daryl

599
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,220
uh Daryl and Erica his wife they both

600
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:51,779
looked at me and they go yep she's it

601
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,860
she's it and I said yeah so uh and the

602
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:58,320
same for the guy you know we we it was

603
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:01,799
between two guys and uh this is the one

604
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,880
that we chose uh to also go with and

605
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,340
although both all both guys were like

606
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:10,799
fantastic so if anybody wants to see it

607
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:14,039
you can see it for free on Amazon Prime

608
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:16,980
yeah it's it's just a great film I

609
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:21,179
enjoyed it uh so much grace Gracie Lacy

610
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:24,899
Gracie Lacy that's it Gracie Lacy man

611
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,120
yeah now um okay uh I'm Gonna Leave

612
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,700
alienated alone but I just have one more

613
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:34,799
comment

614
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:38,940
the waitress at the restaurant

615
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:41,220
who played her

616
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:44,520
she was amazing she was amazing I don't

617
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,580
remember yeah see I don't remember I

618
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,260
mean you know I've cast so many movies

619
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:51,539
yeah so well you have it right there

620
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:52,679
don't you

621
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:55,799
um do you have it up on IMDb I'm pulling

622
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,630
um oh no no Gracie Lacy popped in my

623
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:04,020
head

624
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:05,880
that's how I used to remember her name

625
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,480
okay oh right yeah oh Michael Aaron

626
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:11,039
carrico

627
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,380
that's the guy that played uh uh the guy

628
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:18,840
yes and then

629
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,500
um

630
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:22,320
was it Rachel strut

631
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:24,899
did she play the waitress Rachel Rachel

632
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,720
played

633
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:28,799
um

634
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:33,899
she was the mom I think

635
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:38,460
she was the mom yeah I can't I can't let

636
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,620
me see she was I cannot find she uh yeah

637
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:45,059
she was

638
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,600
the mom to David to the guy the the guy

639
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:54,899
that's right yeah yeah yeah that's who

640
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:58,980
that was I'm just trying to see

641
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:02,220
no I I I don't remember who the waitress

642
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:05,820
was yeah I don't see it here

643
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:09,179
um okay anyway she was great and and

644
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:11,899
things like this always stick in my head

645
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:15,240
and I I just remember that waitress and

646
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:17,779
those restaurant scenes were so funny

647
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,419
and uh were so well done and uh the film

648
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,480
itself was just casted perfectly

649
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:26,760
um you know from from beginning to end

650
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,500
and four

651
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,840
um and this was my comment uh and and

652
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:33,360
again Daryl just kept going oh you're

653
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:36,899
that's on Craig man that's on Craig and

654
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:38,700
which was

655
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:42,419
um for an independent film this thing

656
00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:46,679
was acted you know everybody was was was

657
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:47,419
was

658
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:51,179
really doing their job and that's a rare

659
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,640
thing you know you see Independent films

660
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,740
sometimes you get the gems you know but

661
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,140
right sometimes the knot

662
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,360
um you have to make sacrifices when it

663
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,360
comes to the cast and uh somebody's not

664
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:05,220
pulling their weight right if you know

665
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:08,580
right but not in this film no this film

666
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:11,520
was was fantastic man it was it was a

667
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:15,659
great script too as well but yes but of

668
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,899
course Gracie Lacy and for an alien love

669
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,840
story you know which is which is great

670
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,240
and you know we did before that we did

671
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,059
uh Bashar first Contact which was

672
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:30,000
Daryl's whole story of how he got into

673
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,580
channeling and you know I got to cast

674
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:35,880
Daryl when he was younger and uh all the

675
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:38,820
people around him and uh all of that so

676
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,399
that is also a really good film that

677
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:44,159
people haven't seen that yeah I really

678
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,120
enjoyed that film too as well yeah and I

679
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:50,580
get to see the valley you know yeah

680
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:52,820
exactly

681
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,000
guy and that's right you know whenever

682
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,799
somebody says they're from the valley

683
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,320
I'll give them the test okay which

684
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,140
Jerry's do you prefer

685
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,440
right I'll throw something just to make

686
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,200
sure the one on Pettit or the one on

687
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,200
cold water right and uh you know feel

688
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:15,480
somebody out where what was the cross

689
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,679
street the top video you know that's

690
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,440
right that's right

691
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,780
you find out really quickly if something

692
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:27,419
is actually from the valley because yes

693
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:30,659
somebody will say uh sepovita Boulevard

694
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:33,000
and I go dude you're not from the valley

695
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:35,780
foreign

696
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,080
that's great I never heard that one yeah

697
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:42,480
all right okay that's funny and by the

698
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,300
way but before we move on

699
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:48,419
um for all the Dune fans

700
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,419
um there is a brand new uh it's only

701
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:53,639
online you have to search it out I can't

702
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:54,500
remember

703
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:58,800
uh the exact name of it but uh they made

704
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:02,480
a documentary based on the making of the

705
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:06,540
1984 one I'm in the documentary quite a

706
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:09,900
bit uh it's it's really well put

707
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,020
together so uh you can just rent it

708
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:15,480
online and also there's a wonderful

709
00:35:25,569 --> 00:35:19,380
writer named Max every uh who is uh just

710
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:25,579
finished uh writing a book based on the

711
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:28,920
1984 film where he interviewed all of us

712
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,619
as well and this is the very first time

713
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:33,839
that David Lynch has given an interview

714
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,200
on Doom forever so what's it called

715
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:42,300
uh

716
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,839
think it's called the sleeper must

717
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,420
awaken actually the sleeper must awaken

718
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,119
me yeah the sleeper

719
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,460
uh I think it's called the sleeper must

720
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:04,740
awaken that put that in there and just

721
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:13,430
yeah here it is right okay good good

722
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,900
good good good yeah it's really really

723
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,480
good so

724
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:20,700
um you know again I worked on it four

725
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,060
years so I uh you know they put me in

726
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:26,940
there quite a bit uh yeah I'm gonna

727
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:29,339
watch this tonight this is this is

728
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,099
completely oh it's so good it's so good

729
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:34,680
and the book by Max Avery I'm not sure

730
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:38,640
what he's calling it every evry uh it'll

731
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:41,579
be out in the fall he told me so

732
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:44,480
um again he uh

733
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:47,540
uh he got he interviewed David Lynch

734
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,700
raphaela of course Kyle I got a lot of

735
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,160
the other actors to get interviewed as

736
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,740
well including our incredible costume

737
00:37:01,930 --> 00:36:58,260
designer uh Bob Ringwood who did

738
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,940
Excalibur and uh all of that so

739
00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:04,560
everybody's back for this particular

740
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:05,780
book

741
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,060
uh which will be out uh soon so I'm not

742
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:11,700
sure if it'll be called Doom 1984 or

743
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,079
what it'll be called but uh I um uh I I

744
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,200
almost got uh David Lynch on the show

745
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:21,960
about five years ago four years ago no

746
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,040
way yeah so I reached out to him

747
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:28,800
and and I got a couple of replies right

748
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,320
yeah and it was when uh the new uh Twin

749
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:36,480
Peaks had just come out on Showtime

750
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:39,540
so which which I thought was bleeping

751
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,099
fantastic

752
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,079
um uh it's kind of hard to top the

753
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,240
original but I thought it was I thought

754
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,880
it was just absolutely excellent anyway

755
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:50,820
so I reached out and and this is what he

756
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,020
says

757
00:37:58,210 --> 00:37:53,940
and

758
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:58,220
I'm kind of into painting at the moment

759
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:00,780
I'm painting

760
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,420
I said well why you know well I don't

761
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:05,700
know how long that's gonna be

762
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:09,900
oh man I I just had to let it go had to

763
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,660
let it yeah when he gets focused on one

764
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,599
thing you know he's really he's really

765
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,240
focused on it like back during Dune he

766
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:20,760
made these things called fish kits he

767
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,460
would dissect a fish and then have all

768
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:25,560
its parts and photograph it and then

769
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,500
write what each part was so I still have

770
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:31,200
my fish kit signed to me from David

771
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:32,599
Lynch

772
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:35,820
oh man what was

773
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:39,660
um uh okay so Martin Short

774
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:42,780
um Jiminy Glick in Hollywood right right

775
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,859
a fantastic comedy unreal Martin Short's

776
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:48,780
impersonation of David Lynch in that

777
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,900
movie and and then and I had to go back

778
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:53,579
and look to see if it actually wasn't

779
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:56,040
David Lynch uh the the way that it was

780
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:57,300
done

781
00:39:02,770 --> 00:39:01,140
um I love David Lynch so when

782
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:02,780
um uh

783
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,480
did you have because we go from the

784
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,880
meditative state right right handling

785
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,920
but

786
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,400
um then there is the the physical side

787
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:17,160
of of seeing craft and and and seeing

788
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:20,280
things when did that first happen

789
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:23,880
well you know I just got so involved in

790
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,339
it and so interested I used to go and

791
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:28,320
hear

792
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:33,240
um contactee speak I would go uh I

793
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:34,680
started going to conferences that's

794
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:36,599
where I met a lot of people I started

795
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:39,300
going on investigations I started

796
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:42,300
meeting moof on people

797
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,900
um and I just started getting more and

798
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:46,880
more

799
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,800
it's it's like you've probably heard a

800
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:56,480
million stories I've heard not that many

801
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,480
but when you hear them you're just like

802
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:04,160
you're so blown away because each thing

803
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:08,940
is so different and out there in the

804
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:12,480
sense of some of the the contactees and

805
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,099
things like that and the things that

806
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:16,260
happen to them and some of the physical

807
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:20,339
proof that I've seen as well I mean one

808
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,480
one gentleman uh came to my house he he

809
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:27,720
was so freaked out a friend of his uh

810
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:29,700
knew me and said would you please talk

811
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:32,040
to him he came to my house and he

812
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:34,740
literally lifted up his eyelids and the

813
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:37,140
bottom of his eyes and all around both

814
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:41,339
eyeballs the aliens had implanted this

815
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,380
thing that went around the back of his

816
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,079
eyes and he said they are seeing

817
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:49,079
everything I see and it's freaking me

818
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:52,380
out and he said I want to go have them

819
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,079
removed but I'm so they would take out

820
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:56,940
my eyeballs and then what if I couldn't

821
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,579
see and you know and then what if they

822
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,119
took him out and it was fine and then I

823
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:05,160
couldn't uh and then would they put them

824
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,240
back

825
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,180
right you know so this was a little

826
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:11,040
different than you know what we were

827
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:14,540
used to with Dr Roger Lear yeah

828
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:17,640
actual eye implant

829
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:21,839
right so um on both eyes which was

830
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,320
interesting now I had heard of uh

831
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:27,359
contactees and experiencers talking

832
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,020
about when they could feel

833
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:32,880
um uh otherworldly beings looking

834
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:35,640
through their eyes right but that was a

835
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:38,700
that's a different kind of experience

836
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:41,640
this man had physical

837
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:47,160
things going on so it was uh yeah that

838
00:41:54,349 --> 00:41:48,180
one

839
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:54,359
I lost contact with him and I I always

840
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:58,800
wondered you know how he fared and uh

841
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,880
all of that but so I you know so then I

842
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:04,859
started you know of course going to

843
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:07,800
places like Sedona with night vision

844
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,619
binoculars and you see crap way up in

845
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,540
the sky sometimes you'll see a group of

846
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:16,079
them just flitting by as fast as they

847
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:17,640
can go

848
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,660
um I caught uh on camera when I was

849
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:24,000
driving down towards Courthouse Butte

850
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:25,619
and

851
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:30,000
um Bell Rock You know I had my my uh

852
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:33,060
camera phone I was probably I don't know

853
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:38,700
like 90s late 90s early 2000s and I saw

854
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:44,400
this metallic ball this big going like

855
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:46,740
this right along the side of the road I

856
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:51,180
got my camera out and I was able to snap

857
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:54,119
a photograph of it which I put in the

858
00:42:58,089 --> 00:42:54,900
book

859
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:58,099
right under the Sedona part

860
00:43:05,750 --> 00:42:59,640
and

861
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,760
interesting they also put in here I'll

862
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:07,980
see if I can find it before you

863
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:16,010
also when I was on Bell Rock

864
00:43:25,390 --> 00:43:24,290
I was uh a friend took some photographs

865
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:25,400
of me

866
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:28,380
and then just and then I was just taking

867
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:31,640
some pictures and what appeared were

868
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:36,119
gigantic orbs right the size of a person

869
00:43:42,349 --> 00:43:38,520
like it would come up to my shoulder

870
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,359
that's how big it was and

871
00:43:47,329 --> 00:43:44,160
um I one of those photographs is

872
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:47,339
actually in the book uh what you can't

873
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:50,700
see is the patterns that are going on

874
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:54,020
through the milky white substance right

875
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:57,180
and then there's another photograph of

876
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:00,180
me with one of those giant orbs bumped

877
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,180
up against my body

878
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,000
like you see it like forming against my

879
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,300
body and there's a wisp of uh like a

880
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:11,700
thread of this white light coming off

881
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:16,319
that is sort of like uh inserted into my

882
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,339
arm now I showed these two

883
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,040
um several psychics

884
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:25,740
um and some were quite famous and

885
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:27,960
notable and they all said the same thing

886
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,020
they said those those are Angelic

887
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:33,920
consciousness

888
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,619
the um uh the area let's talk about

889
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:40,619
Sedona first sure yeah let's let's get

890
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:43,260
that out of the way my

891
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,240
um

892
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:47,940
uh uh my trip to Sedona I was there with

893
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,540
Adrian Valera and so we go up to the

894
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,119
airport right and we're with Michael of

895
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,280
Sedona right everybody knows Michael and

896
00:45:00,849 --> 00:44:58,319
he's great so he takes us up to the

897
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:00,859
airports just the three of us

898
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:04,200
and uh we've all got night vision and

899
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,140
stuff but the the best thing of the

900
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,960
night was without night vision in fact

901
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:11,940
it was one of the craziest things I've

902
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:15,200
ever seen in my life so we're facing

903
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:18,420
Sedona as for everybody out there the

904
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,540
airport is above Sedona it's on this

905
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,180
Plateau it's very freaky actually how

906
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,819
they have the airport up on this flat

907
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:29,359
Bluff yeah

908
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,099
it's above way above the city so we were

909
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,200
up on the edge of the cliff

910
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:39,660
um looking out over the city which is

911
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,400
down way below us and and so from behind

912
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,160
us I don't know which direction we would

913
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:49,920
be facing I think that's North maybe I

914
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:52,020
don't know but we're over overlooking

915
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:53,819
the city from behind us

916
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,480
I just kind of glanced over my shoulder

917
00:46:04,670 --> 00:45:59,940
just I'm you know looking at the sky

918
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:04,680
and and Craig this low

919
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,819
flying it was white and round could have

920
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,500
been a ball but it could have been a

921
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:12,720
disc I don't know but because it was so

922
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:13,619
low

923
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,500
not that high I'm going to say

924
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:21,720
a couple thousand feet

925
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,220
you know not 80 000 feet right low and

926
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:28,920
it just goes right over just and it and

927
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:32,099
just just at an angle came over our

928
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:34,500
shoulder we just stood there and watched

929
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:37,079
it and then it went over the city and

930
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:40,140
then disappeared behind the trees and in

931
00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:50,230
no no no no no no no no no

932
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:54,359
you're not expecting something like that

933
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:57,300
it was it was it was crazy it was I

934
00:47:03,170 --> 00:46:59,220
couldn't make out of shape but it was

935
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,180
right and uh and it took its time this

936
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,700
wasn't like you know gone no it just

937
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,680
kind of meandered and went just went

938
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:09,720
right over the top of us pretty big

939
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,839
pretty good size and uh disappeared

940
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,599
behind the trees that's Sedona man it

941
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,000
you know you tell that story to anybody

942
00:47:21,609 --> 00:47:19,920
that's been there like yeah okay see

943
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:21,619
that every day

944
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,839
they basically yeah they basically do I

945
00:47:29,809 --> 00:47:26,940
mean there's uh a friend of mine

946
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,819
researcher there uh he talks of three

947
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:32,640
bases being in that area there which uh

948
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,640
he believes are joint military uh

949
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,640
extraterrestrial bases as well

950
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,859
um over all the years I went there the

951
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:43,260
first time for the first harmonic

952
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:46,859
convergence in the mid 80s and even back

953
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:49,640
then we were seeing uh the Black Op

954
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:52,440
helicopters flying like sometimes two

955
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:55,079
and three of them over the city back and

956
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,480
forth and that kind of thing so what is

957
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:00,180
it about Sedona it is it is truly a hot

958
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:03,300
spot it is and I I think what I'll do is

959
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:06,660
I'm just I'm just gonna go into the the

960
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:10,140
most interesting hot spot in which is

961
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,560
just lays outside of Sedona in the Verde

962
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:16,079
Valley and it's called the Bradshaw

963
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:20,880
Ranch yep right now I've heard of the

964
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:24,180
Bradshaw Ranch because I had a friend

965
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,300
who actually worked there when it was a

966
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,180
working Ranch and she would just tell me

967
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,599
these very interesting stories about

968
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,460
being there and she said you know Craig

969
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:37,200
it's in the middle of nowhere if you

970
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:39,060
don't know how to get there you're never

971
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,420
going to find it right so

972
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:44,819
um anyway finally once I I went out and

973
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,180
I stayed with her and I said let's let's

974
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:51,000
go out to the ranch so we drove my car

975
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,859
it's not a four wheel so you can only

976
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:54,839
drive to a certain point we had to hike

977
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,240
in for about 40 minutes to get there

978
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,180
right now this is my first experience

979
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:02,700
you're walking down a wash which is

980
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:05,220
basically the road and you can see all

981
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,240
the cables that are that are now

982
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,599
um you know the dirt is uncovered that

983
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:15,480
were cables leading out which I guess

984
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,300
went into plugged into something you

985
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:20,940
know to power the ranch and on both

986
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,359
sides sides are all of this brush and

987
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,300
everything as I'm walking and of course

988
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,099
you know ever since I was a kid I've

989
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:30,720
been a very

990
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:33,420
um strong sentient I can sense and feel

991
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:37,260
things when they're around and as we're

992
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:42,260
walking I could feel all of these

993
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,319
dimensional portals being opened and I

994
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,960
could feel things looking at me although

995
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:51,599
I couldn't see them right now of course

996
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,400
this is in the middle of the day and I'm

997
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:55,740
thinking to myself what would it be like

998
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:00,420
here at night right so the stories that

999
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:04,980
my friend told were that Bob Bradshaw's

1000
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:07,560
uh uh I'm not sure if it was second or

1001
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,060
third wife Linda had a a son around 20.

1002
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,400
they were living on the ranch so this is

1003
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,000
like I think 200 plus acres of land that

1004
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,760
he bought they built a ranch

1005
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:22,980
um in the front of the ranch home they

1006
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:26,460
ultimately built a saloon which is when

1007
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:29,339
people would come he would do Rodeo

1008
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:34,020
shows Cowboy shows all of that and and

1009
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:35,700
then they'd have the saloon where people

1010
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:38,819
could drink and eat and dance and do all

1011
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:41,460
kinds of fun stuff now on the first

1012
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,079
night that they opened up one of the

1013
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,839
shows my friend said hey she was sitting

1014
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:48,720
in the bleachers and a flying saucer

1015
00:50:51,970 --> 00:50:49,800
went

1016
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:51,980
right over him

1017
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:56,040
and she said that was like one of the

1018
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:58,500
most uh unbelievable experiences now

1019
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:00,900
she's seen a lot there living in Sedona

1020
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,240
for a very long time she's seen these

1021
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:06,720
things now but she also told me about

1022
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,440
Linda Bradshaw that

1023
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,720
um that on the property there was an

1024
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:14,640
albino Sasquatch

1025
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,319
right I've heard that yes and that Linda

1026
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:21,920
got the idea after seeing the footprints

1027
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,920
to leave it out by The Stables which is

1028
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:28,800
maybe a five seven minute walk from the

1029
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,740
ranch right and she put a plate of

1030
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:33,780
fruits and vegetables out and put it up

1031
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,900
on one of the you know posts and the

1032
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:38,460
next day she would come out all the food

1033
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:41,460
be gone and the Bigfoot would gift her

1034
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:44,940
sticks and stones and she would see The

1035
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,420
Prince and that kind of thing and then

1036
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:50,760
um uh have you ever had Tom Dongo on

1037
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:54,559
your show oh yeah oh yeah so Tom Tom

1038
00:52:02,750 --> 00:51:58,380
researched that ranch when Linda was

1039
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:02,760
there for four years right so I I went

1040
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:06,599
over everything extensively with him and

1041
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,660
he called Linda and said you know make

1042
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,700
sure that you do everything you can to

1043
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,980
protect your mares because aliens are

1044
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:15,839
stealing the feet this is on other

1045
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:19,380
ranches right but what Linda would

1046
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:21,720
notice is on her pregnant Mare's belly

1047
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,680
she would find white hairs right so she

1048
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:29,040
felt like she was really protecting the

1049
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:33,200
mayor the mayor's uh unborn uh child

1050
00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:36,020
what do you call horses

1051
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:38,900
foes foes yeah yeah yeah

1052
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:44,780
so uh anyway so she full full

1053
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:53,410
those are souls

1054
00:53:03,410 --> 00:52:55,400
right

1055
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,420
she did she did have she did have the

1056
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,520
baby and they did see the footprints now

1057
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:08,280
here's the interesting thing where the

1058
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:10,380
investigations and things got a little

1059
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,940
uh really out there is that the sun when

1060
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:18,000
he would videotape things or if he would

1061
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:20,760
do things with a camera the dimension

1062
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,839
would open up and once they saw what

1063
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:26,579
they called big girl that's what they

1064
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:30,180
Linda called the albino Sasquatch and

1065
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:34,559
there was a UFO above her right and

1066
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,619
another time they got a dinosaur

1067
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:40,500
another time they got a telephone pole

1068
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,780
and these are in different areas right

1069
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,000
right and

1070
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,119
um so this was this was always very

1071
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:49,859
fascinating now

1072
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:52,680
the the

1073
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:54,359
um

1074
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,040
on the property throughout the years

1075
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,920
uh once they heard the dogs barking and

1076
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:03,960
they were looking up at something and

1077
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,540
they went out there and when they were

1078
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,640
near the dogs they saw them like looking

1079
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:11,400
up barking and they heard this horrific

1080
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:12,780
hissing

1081
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,660
right like a really evil hiss

1082
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,300
and so they got the dogs in the house

1083
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,520
and the next morning they went out and

1084
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:23,460
they found a reptilian footprints

1085
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:27,300
where that had taken place now there's

1086
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:31,740
the oldest Homestead house in Sedona on

1087
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:34,980
that property and her son and his

1088
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,920
girlfriend and her young daughter

1089
00:54:42,670 --> 00:54:39,780
decided to stay out so it's more towards

1090
00:54:46,030 --> 00:54:42,680
the far back of the property right

1091
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,040
and uh he gets woken up by some lights

1092
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,140
he looks out and

1093
00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:51,839
um sees a ship land and sees Gray's get

1094
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,559
out and they're running around uh the

1095
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,020
property investigating he's freaked out

1096
00:55:01,309 --> 00:55:00,000
the girlfriend's freaked out they're

1097
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:01,319
trying to figure out how are they going

1098
00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,960
to get out of there and then when they

1099
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,059
didn't see them they ran to the car they

1100
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:08,880
hightailed it up to the ranch woke his

1101
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:12,300
mother up and told her this story and as

1102
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:14,339
they're telling her the story a gray

1103
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,619
walks by the front living room window

1104
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:19,200
now Linda's been confronted with this

1105
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:21,240
stuff so she immediately ran and opened

1106
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:25,740
the door and it vanished right right so

1107
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:29,339
um and Bob wanted nothing to do with any

1108
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,140
of this kind of stuff from what I

1109
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,240
understand because I don't know what

1110
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:35,400
what happened with Bob

1111
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:38,940
um is he was out on the property uh one

1112
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:42,960
day and he sees a craft go overhead and

1113
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:46,859
and go down over the hill where they had

1114
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:49,619
some apple trees right I wouldn't

1115
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:51,900
necessarily say an apple orchard but

1116
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,619
they had apple trees and uh so he you

1117
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:57,960
know he comes over the top of the the

1118
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:01,680
rise and looks down and there is a

1119
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:04,200
silver disc parked behind one of the

1120
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:05,819
apple trees sitting is sitting in the

1121
00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:06,780
field there

1122
00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:10,619
and he lost his mind yeah he saw that he

1123
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,859
turned around went home and from what I

1124
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:15,480
understand he never came out of the

1125
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,500
house again

1126
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,319
like yeah right he's he wanted nothing

1127
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:21,420
to do with it he wasn't a part of the

1128
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:25,859
investigations or any anything like that

1129
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:28,380
I mean uh one other incident that was

1130
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:30,839
really into well two that I find very

1131
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:32,940
fascinating is you know they had trucks

1132
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:35,220
they were in the front in the front at

1133
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:38,280
night they heard this crunching and they

1134
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:41,579
went out in the trucks were doing this

1135
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,280
and being squeezed and they took

1136
00:56:51,010 --> 00:56:46,920
photographs and you could see this white

1137
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:51,020
blue energy force around them right and

1138
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,619
uh which right right next to the ranch

1139
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:57,660
there is what they call an alligator

1140
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,160
tree which Linda said is a portal for

1141
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:04,920
positive and negative entities so they

1142
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,099
know they always knew when the negative

1143
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,500
entities came on all these negative

1144
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,260
things would happen on the property and

1145
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,500
when the more benevolent ones would come

1146
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,680
uh things would be very happy and very

1147
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:21,660
nice and they could feel an inner

1148
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,599
interchange between them now the sun was

1149
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:26,640
coming home one night with his friend in

1150
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,260
the middle of the night coming down that

1151
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:29,520
wash thing

1152
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:34,500
and walking out in front of him was what

1153
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:38,400
looked like a miniature horse Maybe

1154
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,780
five feet four feet tall with a cat

1155
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:44,280
head

1156
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:51,000
had a horse's tail and its fur they said

1157
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,300
came all the way down to the ground now

1158
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:57,240
Dongo says that

1159
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,359
at the same time that he spotted that

1160
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:03,359
there was another incident in another

1161
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:06,599
state where someone saw the same being

1162
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,500
now so what we're wondering is okay is

1163
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:12,960
it the same creature that's going in and

1164
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:16,500
out of pockets of time right because we

1165
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:19,740
know if you if you ever visit the

1166
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,980
Bradshaw Ranch you will feel the

1167
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:24,839
interdimensional

1168
00:58:29,290 --> 00:58:28,319
shift there it is like the veil is so

1169
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:29,300
thin

1170
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:34,980
that it it will it will disrupt you to

1171
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,700
the core in the sense of you know that

1172
00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:41,520
something could happen at any minute but

1173
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:43,559
you don't know what right by the

1174
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,020
windmill people have had missing time

1175
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:48,000
yeah I've heard that too as well yeah

1176
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,099
yeah I didn't I didn't get a chance to

1177
00:58:55,069 --> 00:58:53,280
go up there it was it was I had planned

1178
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:55,079
to go up there

1179
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:56,760
um it was just one of those things where

1180
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:00,720
uh time got away from us yeah no pun

1181
00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:05,040
intended uh time got away from us and

1182
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,799
um I was told you know to go up there

1183
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,660
during the day now and not to go up

1184
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,000
there at night because there's a lot of

1185
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:13,040
homeless

1186
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,020
that is on the road on the way up there

1187
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,140
and so you do that at night and you know

1188
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,000
right you don't know I know you're up

1189
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,000
there alone it's a it's best now I don't

1190
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,599
know uh I I haven't been there so and I

1191
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:32,220
don't want to say anything that is that

1192
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:34,020
is out of place or incorrect but that's

1193
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:37,740
what I was told by from the locals so I

1194
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:39,000
just didn't get a chance to get up there

1195
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:41,400
it's one of those things man it's a

1196
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,260
bucket list uh

1197
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,680
so if is is Sedona

1198
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,260
um is Sedona your number one if you were

1199
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:51,359
you know you got your UFO Hot Spot

1200
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:52,980
bucket list right and you're handing it

1201
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,119
out to your friends and you're going

1202
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:56,700
okay this is you start here it's Sedona

1203
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,260
at the top of that list

1204
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:01,380
Sedona definitely is at the top of the

1205
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:04,500
list uh one of the current hot spots is

1206
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:08,460
Marina Del Rey right here where there is

1207
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:11,099
so much activity going on I've been

1208
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,460
talking to uh Dr Robert Shipe a lot and

1209
01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:16,799
he's been sending me all the things that

1210
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:19,559
he is catching daily

1211
01:00:24,010 --> 01:00:21,900
um on there I think it's uh his

1212
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,020
website's called

1213
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:26,400
custodianfile.com if people want to go

1214
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,579
and uh check out a lot of these uh

1215
01:00:36,490 --> 01:00:31,740
videos he says that these little things

1216
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:36,500
when any kind of ship whether it's

1217
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,280
extraterrestrial uh um a helicopter a

1218
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:43,680
police helicopter that these little

1219
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,220
things go out and they ping them

1220
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:49,740
these things fly through the air and

1221
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:52,980
they they ping whatever crafts are in

1222
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:55,500
the area so I don't know I've never

1223
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,299
heard of that before

1224
01:01:03,049 --> 01:01:00,000
so I thought that was interesting

1225
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:03,059
what I I have to ask the same thing uh

1226
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,500
before you know what I've got to take a

1227
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,960
break let me get this in before the

1228
01:01:10,569 --> 01:01:08,160
break

1229
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:10,579
um you know

1230
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:14,460
the modern sightings that are going on

1231
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:17,780
in that area Marina Del Rey Santa Monica

1232
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:20,940
uh you know uh up and down the coast you

1233
01:01:25,870 --> 01:01:22,740
can go from Laguna all the way up to

1234
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,880
Malibu right that whole stretch of Coast

1235
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,559
what is going on there because the

1236
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:30,559
sightings go back to

1237
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:34,799
uh the 50s 40s a Battle of Los Angeles

1238
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:37,260
for example that's that's where this

1239
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,440
happened and of course we've got

1240
01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:42,420
Catalina Island out there and then we've

1241
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:43,980
got the Nimitz and we've got all the

1242
01:01:49,609 --> 01:01:46,140
other stuff that has been happening with

1243
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:49,619
uaps uh Caroline Corey in her film a

1244
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:51,960
tear in the sky that takes place right

1245
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:54,660
there yeah the what what is it about

1246
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,900
this area Craig well I I know a lot of

1247
01:02:02,809 --> 01:02:00,000
people that live on the coast and Malibu

1248
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,819
to Santa Monica they have always told me

1249
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,040
because they live right there so their

1250
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,960
living room bedroom windows look out

1251
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,240
into the ocean

1252
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:11,760
and they say that they see craft leaving

1253
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:15,359
the water and entering the water

1254
01:02:24,010 --> 01:02:19,980
uh all the time now so my my feeling is

1255
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:24,020
is just like there's bases underground

1256
01:02:30,049 --> 01:02:27,480
that there's bases underwater as well

1257
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:30,059
because we know these ships can easily

1258
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,700
glide into the water they can move

1259
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:35,520
through the water quite easily as they

1260
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:39,240
can through the air and so we just of

1261
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,480
course call those Usos

1262
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:44,400
unidentified uh submerged

1263
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:47,640
objects I did Ronald Reagan had his

1264
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:51,119
sighting out there yeah yeah okay you

1265
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:54,900
know I it's it's uh it's a crazy crazy

1266
01:03:00,890 --> 01:02:58,500
area and it's nearly a guarantee right

1267
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:00,900
it you know there are a few spots you

1268
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:03,900
know Sedona uh Joshua Tree uh maybe

1269
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,640
we'll come back and talk about Joshua

1270
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,799
Tree but I want to also cover some other

1271
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,079
uh spots around the country

1272
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:11,940
um but um

1273
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:15,660
it's a guarantee it's a strange

1274
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:19,500
situation that we find ourselves in and

1275
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,280
there's that there's a deep trench it

1276
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,040
gets really deep in between Marina Del

1277
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:28,079
Rey and Catalina there's a trench there

1278
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:31,079
right we have that spot up that you know

1279
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:34,859
that uh that I sort of made famous uh in

1280
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,760
Malibu the under inner I called it a an

1281
01:03:43,329 --> 01:03:40,799
underwater UFO base at the time I didn't

1282
01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:43,339
have a a better

1283
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:45,900
thing to name it

1284
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,540
um but uh it right there there are

1285
01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:50,819
Preston Dennett how many books can he

1286
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,299
write about that area right yeah you

1287
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,160
know so all right let's take our break

1288
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:58,740
our guest tonight Craig campobaso the

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01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:02,040
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01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:06,950
this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,299
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01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,319
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um you need to check it out it's how I

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01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:12,420
got my vision back I haven't worn my

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01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:13,859
reading glasses

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01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,160
since the conscious life Expo correct

1394
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:19,679
yeah yeah oh hold on I've got you muted

1395
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,140
that's my fault that's my fault I'm

1396
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:24,600
reversing the next time you see me I'm

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01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:27,839
gonna look like I'm 22. yeah man all

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01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,839
right yeah I feel it it's weird

1399
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:32,759
it's just weird man I got my vision back

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01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:35,460
it's crazy it's crazy

1401
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:38,699
um yeah yeah check that out yeah it's

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01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:40,859
pretty cool

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01:08:48,769 --> 01:08:45,120
um the uh the areas around the country

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01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:48,779
um uh and I've I've visited uh quite a

1405
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,480
few and I've seen stuff that and what I

1406
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:53,040
love the most

1407
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,739
um nighttime yeah you know night vision

1408
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,020
I I get that but I like the daytime

1409
01:09:04,669 --> 01:09:01,020
stuff yeah yeah that that's the Holy

1410
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:04,679
Grail when when that when that goes down

1411
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,580
um let's uh let's everybody hear so much

1412
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,980
about the west coast and there's lots of

1413
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:12,719
reasons for that and there are some

1414
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:16,199
great places to go and and and I've seen

1415
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,819
a lot of stuff out here but what about

1416
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:20,040
let's go up

1417
01:09:26,650 --> 01:09:22,679
um uh in a general sense and talk about

1418
01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:26,660
uh the Northeast in in New England

1419
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:29,719
well I think

1420
01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:33,179
one of my favorite one well we love the

1421
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:39,900
uh Allagash abductions right that uh to

1422
01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:41,640
go visit there you would have to like

1423
01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:45,179
Charter a little tiny plane that takes

1424
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:47,699
you in it's like only two people can go

1425
01:09:54,970 --> 01:09:52,679
at a time but uh you know the This was

1426
01:09:58,669 --> 01:09:54,980
um you know when four guys went fishing

1427
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:58,679
and they actually got

1428
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,560
um uh abducted but didn't realize it to

1429
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,840
many many years later when they all

1430
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:06,480
started having these dreams with these

1431
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:10,800
ant beings right and through hypnosis

1432
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,719
three of them uh came to learn about uh

1433
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,780
you know what they look like and uh that

1434
01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:20,940
kind of thing and that they were these

1435
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,900
ant creatures and now uh a lot of people

1436
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:26,940
are talking about these different ant

1437
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,840
creatures online uh some of them having

1438
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,420
some bases in Florida and things like

1439
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,800
that

1440
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:35,760
um

1441
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:39,900
but uh that was one of my favorite Pine

1442
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:45,120
Bush like back in the uh Pine Bush and

1443
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:46,440
um

1444
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:48,900
oh what's what's the tan what's that

1445
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,980
that whole uh city called

1446
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,080
Pine Bush

1447
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:56,640
it'll come to me in a second but yeah

1448
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,460
I'm trying to think of uh when you go

1449
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:01,920
when you go from Maine

1450
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:04,620
um all the way down to well let's let's

1451
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,840
call it New York even the Hudson Valley

1452
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:08,880
Hudson Valley that's what I'm talking

1453
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:12,480
about yeah that whole area

1454
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:16,080
um is is is there one specific spot

1455
01:11:21,169 --> 01:11:19,140
besides the Hudson Valley or would you

1456
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,179
just call the Northeast in general hot

1457
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,280
spot because Vermont yeah you know it's

1458
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,679
got a lot of sightings and

1459
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,080
I would say all of that is a hot spot

1460
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:30,780
right because we know in the 80s they

1461
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:34,920
were having major uh uh major sightings

1462
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:37,380
of these sort of manta ray looking Black

1463
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,920
Ships there were I think identified at

1464
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:43,199
least eight different shapes during that

1465
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:47,340
time that's right Pine Bush also saw a

1466
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:48,900
lot of different things and talking to

1467
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:51,239
some of the mufon people there they

1468
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:52,860
talked about

1469
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:56,280
um an extraterrestrial uh

1470
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:00,300
uh uh and military base being built

1471
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:03,659
beneath their city and that in

1472
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:06,840
um I'm not sure what uh it's it was

1473
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:12,900
called tuxedo it's a it's a town that is

1474
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:13,440
um

1475
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:14,580
uh

1476
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:20,460
silenced yes it's that kind of thing so

1477
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:22,380
let's say let's say if you knew somebody

1478
01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:23,460
there

1479
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,659
you they would take you to that person's

1480
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,520
house and make sure that you went in

1481
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:31,620
that person's house if you were a guest

1482
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:35,520
right you can't just drive so there were

1483
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:38,100
all of these but uh interestingly enough

1484
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,739
there's a actor I work with because you

1485
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:43,199
know I I do talk about this stuff with

1486
01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:45,179
actors all the time just to get their

1487
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:48,360
own experiences and uh this one actor

1488
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,179
who I've just uh uh worked with last

1489
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:54,239
year uh who who called me many many

1490
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:56,280
years ago and that's how we became

1491
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:00,960
friends uh is our common uh interest in

1492
01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:07,920
UFOs or uaps and um uh so he lived uh

1493
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:10,380
when he was living uh

1494
01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:14,699
um in Upstate New York right he would

1495
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:17,880
see these giant manta ray ships come out

1496
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:20,460
over their town at night right just a

1497
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:22,440
farm town that goes to sleep at nine

1498
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,659
o'clock at night

1499
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:27,600
um so he would photograph them and then

1500
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:31,800
he noticed that what would happen is

1501
01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:32,400
um

1502
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,580
that they would send out a plane which

1503
01:13:39,709 --> 01:13:38,280
he believed what they were doing was

1504
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:39,719
doing

1505
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:41,640
um like night vision on the ground to

1506
01:13:48,649 --> 01:13:45,480
see if anybody was around right and so

1507
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:48,659
he would get a uh one of those uh

1508
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:51,659
metallic tarpy things you know that

1509
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,420
doesn't show your body heat and then he

1510
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,159
would watch the ships and he would film

1511
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,520
them now he said that about an hour away

1512
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,679
from there he would sometimes go to an

1513
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:03,420
ashram he would stay there until they

1514
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:05,400
closed at midnight and when he came out

1515
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:08,120
one night across the street as a school

1516
01:14:15,550 --> 01:14:12,000
and above the school was a giant ship

1517
01:14:19,010 --> 01:14:15,560
hovering right above the school right

1518
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:19,020
and he said he just sat there Frozen he

1519
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:21,659
couldn't believe it and

1520
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:22,620
um

1521
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:26,040
and then another time when he came out

1522
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:30,420
he said that uh a ship was there but

1523
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:33,060
this time on the top it had a turret

1524
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:38,760
and he said it looked like uh it had a

1525
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,460
face and that it had like some kind of

1526
01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:43,620
alligator skin

1527
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,159
and he said that was really really uh

1528
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,640
freaky to see because it would turn

1529
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,000
and it could view everything now he said

1530
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,640
it started to move off and he decided he

1531
01:15:02,209 --> 01:14:58,320
was going to follow it

1532
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,219
and he started speeding and he actually

1533
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:05,040
got stopped by a cop

1534
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:07,500
and you know the cop wanted to see his

1535
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,960
driver's license and he said well you

1536
01:15:14,090 --> 01:15:11,880
know I was speeding because of something

1537
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,100
and anyway long story short he finally

1538
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,980
confessed to the cop what it was and the

1539
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:19,440
cop's eyes he said got really fearful

1540
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:22,620
and he said um oh my God they're back

1541
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:27,000
right and so he just let him go and that

1542
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,480
kind of thing so he did get these things

1543
01:15:36,010 --> 01:15:33,360
um on camera as well and a lot of people

1544
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:36,020
did in the 80s and even Whitley strieber

1545
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:39,420
you know the Hudson Valley is where all

1546
01:15:44,689 --> 01:15:42,300
of his things happened as well Betty and

1547
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:44,699
Barney Hill you know we can't yeah you

1548
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:47,699
know yeah absolutely absolutely and the

1549
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:50,400
thing is is with um

1550
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:51,659
uh

1551
01:15:57,530 --> 01:15:56,159
what was fascinating is what you know

1552
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:57,540
the leader

1553
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:00,900
looked more human but was very different

1554
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:05,820
looking than the other uh beings that

1555
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:09,000
tended to look like smaller

1556
01:16:12,169 --> 01:16:09,620
um

1557
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,179
Grays I think you know when we say the

1558
01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:14,480
term gray a lot of people think negative

1559
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:18,360
but uh these uh Tibetan Barney were not

1560
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:21,060
uh negative creatures and that kind of

1561
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:22,739
thing so

1562
01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:25,020
um I've got a I know we're not talking

1563
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:28,679
about uh uh the Southwest or the West

1564
01:16:34,189 --> 01:16:31,560
anymore but this question came in from

1565
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:34,199
Susan Alloway she wants to know about uh

1566
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:39,540
the uh Anza Borrego Desert which is out

1567
01:16:47,450 --> 01:16:43,440
here in in central California

1568
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,460
um uh you know in that whole uh uh you

1569
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:49,199
know it's just south of Palm Springs

1570
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,260
right in the Flatlands right there

1571
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:54,300
um it do you know anything about that

1572
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:56,940
area well I don't know about that area

1573
01:17:05,570 --> 01:16:59,820
but we know that there is lots of

1574
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:05,580
activity down uh of course in uh the

1575
01:17:11,689 --> 01:17:08,940
Yucca Valley and Landers where giant

1576
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:11,699
rock and the Integratron are right

1577
01:17:14,890 --> 01:17:13,980
there's been many many crafts cited

1578
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:14,900
there

1579
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:17,699
especially a giant rock I mean in 19

1580
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:22,260
August I think 24th 1953 is when George

1581
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:28,500
Van Tassel met a man who who came in uh

1582
01:17:33,169 --> 01:17:30,360
in the desert when he was running the

1583
01:17:35,930 --> 01:17:33,179
airport there George woke up he was

1584
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:35,940
sleeping on a cot outside and went and

1585
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:37,980
conversed with the man and he asked him

1586
01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:39,719
if he would like to see the inside of

1587
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:40,940
the spaceship

1588
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,480
he took a ride see the salganda was his

1589
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,239
name now I I was able to talk to Daniel

1590
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,760
Boone who was his

1591
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,440
um married to one of his daughters

1592
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:54,840
towards the end of his life and he he

1593
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,020
told me he he saw it from afar because

1594
01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:00,000
you could see where from where they

1595
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,239
lived to where giant rock is so you

1596
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:06,239
could see if a ship or something had

1597
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:11,219
landed there and so he was really really

1598
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:15,360
fascinating to uh to talk to

1599
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:16,920
um I have to go back and watch the tape

1600
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,280
because we we actually filmed him

1601
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:22,800
um you know just to have it as a as a

1602
01:18:29,209 --> 01:18:27,600
history piece you know for for that uh

1603
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:29,219
you know the sisters that own the

1604
01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:31,860
Integratron they'd like to

1605
01:18:38,209 --> 01:18:32,699
um

1606
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:38,219
so you know we even had Bob Short come

1607
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:40,980
out Lori Wagner and I uh and another

1608
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:43,560
group of people and he channeled for the

1609
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:45,540
first time in a lot of years and we

1610
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:49,679
filmed them and uh and uh we one of the

1611
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:52,679
shots of him channeling with giant rock

1612
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:55,380
and right above it is a craft high up in

1613
01:19:02,930 --> 01:18:58,920
the sky right so that was interesting

1614
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,940
and um but that to me that was one of

1615
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,040
the most fascinating stories was the

1616
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,199
George Van Tassel story yeah I love that

1617
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,140
I love the Van Tassel story what I did

1618
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:13,020
and I reckon every time George comes up

1619
01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:16,500
I I turn around and and and say what I'm

1620
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:18,020
about to say

1621
01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:20,699
do yourself a favor

1622
01:19:28,370 --> 01:19:23,699
jump down the Van Tassel Rabbit Hole

1623
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:28,380
just yes just do it and then

1624
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:31,620
um as you start your journey with George

1625
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:33,540
Van Tassel

1626
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,120
find his

1627
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,600
public speaking that he did at all the

1628
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:41,760
rotary clubs the Lions Club whatever

1629
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,260
these different

1630
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:46,560
places in the 1950s because they all got

1631
01:19:52,930 --> 01:19:50,400
recorded and they're all online and go

1632
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:52,940
and listen to him speak

1633
01:20:00,050 --> 01:19:56,239
1953 54 55

1634
01:20:03,229 --> 01:20:00,060
there are dozens and dozens of his uh

1635
01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:03,239
conferences where he would go out and

1636
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:05,699
and and speak these engagements at these

1637
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,100
uh different uh clubs around Southern

1638
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:11,040
California it's extraordinarily great

1639
01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:14,640
listening and one of um uh one of the

1640
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:16,920
points with George I don't mean to

1641
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:19,320
ramble you're my guest but one of the

1642
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:23,100
things that uh George

1643
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:25,860
um did not one specific thing was abroad

1644
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:29,760
was how he talked about

1645
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:33,719
um the technology and what he saw and

1646
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:37,040
and and think it wasn't

1647
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,020
because and and Craig I'm being very

1648
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:42,480
serious about this yeah

1649
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:46,260
if he was influenced by

1650
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,400
film B movies right right the the

1651
01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:52,380
monster from the Moon whatever those

1652
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:55,860
movies were from Knight DVD 253 54.

1653
01:21:02,689 --> 01:20:58,920
um and you saw the interior

1654
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:02,699
of these spaceships they were big meters

1655
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:08,760
right or levers or or you know and he's

1656
01:21:15,729 --> 01:21:13,320
describing uh flat screen monitors you

1657
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:15,739
know and and and and and and and

1658
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,400
touching and they he didn't describe the

1659
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:22,980
technology of the day he didn't describe

1660
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,120
that no no he had another he had another

1661
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,480
experience and saw what he saw and he he

1662
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:33,300
really uh goes into detail with this and

1663
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,340
you listen to it today and you can

1664
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:38,280
picture exactly what he is talking about

1665
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:42,360
I am sure that people uh from you know

1666
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:44,940
1953 54 when they're listening to George

1667
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:48,239
had no idea what he was talking about so

1668
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:51,540
he was so articulate so articulate in

1669
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:54,960
everything that he talked about I mean

1670
01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:59,520
he he you know I mean literally Giant in

1671
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:02,340
the Integratron and George are sort of

1672
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:05,460
like the birthplace of ufology do you

1673
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:07,320
know that he built a time machine in

1674
01:22:14,689 --> 01:22:10,140
Santa Monica no I didn't know that yeah

1675
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,699
yeah so he does this um interview it's

1676
01:22:20,169 --> 01:22:17,760
um uh the interviewers from like Wales

1677
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:20,179
or Scotland right he's got this accent

1678
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:23,580
and it's for television

1679
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:26,460
it's black and white I think it's 1964.

1680
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,199
this is when this interview took place

1681
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,900
George is in a suit the two of them it's

1682
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:32,480
a talk show they're both sitting there

1683
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,900
and George tells this story and and he

1684
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:39,840
falls short of giving the address of the

1685
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:40,980
building

1686
01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:44,880
but he says and again you got to think

1687
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:49,140
about 1964. he says that he was he had

1688
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,340
uh been given the designs for a time

1689
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:54,960
machine and they built it in Santa

1690
01:22:59,810 --> 01:22:57,480
Monica and he's like we we built it on

1691
01:23:03,110 --> 01:22:59,820
Santa Monica Boulevard and 4th Street or

1692
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:03,120
something all right and and he says uh

1693
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,219
um and and it's working

1694
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:07,980
and you're listening you're like what

1695
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:11,780
and he says well it's not a time machine

1696
01:23:19,729 --> 01:23:14,960
but you can view

1697
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:19,739
events seven years ago it can't go past

1698
01:23:28,669 --> 01:23:24,239
that but anything in seven years and and

1699
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:28,679
before you can watch it on a TV and he

1700
01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:31,500
says it's because he goes everything is

1701
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:33,060
recorded

1702
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:36,480
so you just go it's it's in nature it's

1703
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,679
recorded magnetically and so you can use

1704
01:23:46,669 --> 01:23:43,620
this device and and we can go back

1705
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:46,679
and it was like the craziest

1706
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,900
thing and it was

1707
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:51,480
um uh how do I say this it was like a

1708
01:23:57,410 --> 01:23:54,659
modern conversation this wasn't a 1964

1709
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,420
conversation it was just weird and so

1710
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:59,280
articulate

1711
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,900
um and he's a matter of fact man he's

1712
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:02,820
just sitting again oh yeah total matter

1713
01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:09,590
um

1714
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:12,649
so and everybody George Van Tassel what

1715
01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:16,380
would just remarkable remarkable story

1716
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:17,880
um behind him

1717
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,219
um and he he did the original contact in

1718
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:23,280
the desert you know he had 10 15 000

1719
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:26,340
people out there he did well you did

1720
01:24:33,610 --> 01:24:30,300
I've actually got a videotape uh when it

1721
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:33,620
was at the height of its heyday right

1722
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,440
and uh and in the UFO hotspot uh the

1723
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:39,600
very first chapter is dedicated to giant

1724
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,719
rock in the Integratron and it does go

1725
01:24:47,530 --> 01:24:45,840
into George talking about uh what it

1726
01:24:52,189 --> 01:24:47,540
looked like on the inside of the ship

1727
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,199
now he never describes salganda all in

1728
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:54,900
one interview I had to go through so

1729
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,480
many interviews one interview he would

1730
01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:00,320
say this his hair was blonde and short

1731
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:03,719
another one he was five six another one

1732
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:06,300
the people on his craft were also five

1733
01:25:12,590 --> 01:25:10,440
six right that kind of thing so I

1734
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:12,600
actually had a artist do uh artist

1735
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:15,600
conception of what salgando would look

1736
01:25:22,370 --> 01:25:19,320
like and put that in the book as well so

1737
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:22,380
um I worked with a historian of giant

1738
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:23,880
rock

1739
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:28,800
um of course my uh dear friend Athena

1740
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:31,380
um she is still alive and she was with

1741
01:25:37,729 --> 01:25:35,280
George when George words began his first

1742
01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:37,739
channelings with extraterrestrials

1743
01:25:45,169 --> 01:25:41,940
underneath giant rock in 1952 Bob Short

1744
01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:45,179
was also there she told me she was there

1745
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:46,980
the very first time that he channeled

1746
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:50,880
ashtar I actually have all of all of

1747
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:53,400
those little brief channelings the dates

1748
01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:56,639
and what the beings names were and then

1749
01:26:03,050 --> 01:25:59,400
that brought for salganda in the

1750
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:03,060
following year also to him so all of

1751
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:05,820
that's in there I mean both of them the

1752
01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:08,760
the Integratron sisters and Barbara

1753
01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:10,980
Harris who's the uh

1754
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:11,900
um

1755
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:14,580
historian you know they both said when

1756
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,520
they read the chapters uh on those two

1757
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:18,960
things they say God you know there's

1758
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:21,000
stuff in there we didn't even know

1759
01:26:25,729 --> 01:26:23,699
right and now you just told me something

1760
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,739
that I didn't even know and I don't even

1761
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,600
know if they know I mean that's

1762
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,520
fantastic yeah it's an incredible

1763
01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:32,639
interview yeah man uh I'll I'll send you

1764
01:26:39,709 --> 01:26:35,400
the link I'm going back and watched it

1765
01:26:42,129 --> 01:26:39,719
so many times yeah and uh I did the the

1766
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:42,139
Van Tassel thing for years

1767
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:46,260
and uh you know and you find this it's

1768
01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:49,739
it's literally a treasure Trove of uh

1769
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:53,699
all of his he he must have had a buddy

1770
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:56,880
you know uh with the Rotary Club right

1771
01:27:02,169 --> 01:27:00,120
yeah because he that that was his thing

1772
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:02,179
and you can the the

1773
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,159
they're they're all there online those

1774
01:27:10,970 --> 01:27:07,679
uh Rotary Club uh presentations and

1775
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:10,980
think you know thank goodness that they

1776
01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:14,219
were recorded uh that you know basically

1777
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:16,199
back then that's a rare thing

1778
01:27:20,689 --> 01:27:18,060
um and they're they sound wonderful

1779
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:20,699
they're incredible they're just so well

1780
01:27:31,850 --> 01:27:27,169
yeah yeah and now

1781
01:27:34,669 --> 01:27:31,860
um what about oh uh I wanted to turn

1782
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:34,679
around uh and and talk about shag Harbor

1783
01:27:41,390 --> 01:27:38,580
for a second because shag Harbor is is

1784
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:41,400
to me one of the most documented uh

1785
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,420
cases out there yeah we have Randall

1786
01:27:50,570 --> 01:27:48,239
shim we have Roswell

1787
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:50,580
um we have you know the West all uh

1788
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,159
School in in Australia right where we

1789
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:54,960
have these things really well documented

1790
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,260
Ariel of course in Zimbabwe

1791
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:00,239
um you know these cases that were

1792
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:04,500
documented and shag Harbor is one of

1793
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:08,280
those and I don't know why we don't talk

1794
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:10,739
about shag Harbor the way we talk about

1795
01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:13,260
Zamora and Socorro you know I I don't

1796
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,659
right I I don't I don't get that but you

1797
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:18,239
know we can talk about Roswell but shag

1798
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,659
Harbor and and that if Canada has got

1799
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,280
one thing in their back pocket they've

1800
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:25,440
got one of the most incredible uh UFO

1801
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,280
contact cases uh in history

1802
01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:32,159
they definitely do it took place on

1803
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:37,560
October 4th 1967 and uh

1804
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:40,860
um anyway so it looked like there was

1805
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,340
this craft that was in the sky and

1806
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,280
nobody was thinking this was a UFO by

1807
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:49,679
the way and as it started making his

1808
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:52,500
descent uh crashing about two to three

1809
01:28:59,689 --> 01:28:56,219
hundred yards uh off the shore

1810
01:29:02,330 --> 01:28:59,699
um there was a young man named Lori

1811
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,340
wickens he was 18 years old he had his

1812
01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:03,840
girlfriend with him and some other

1813
01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:06,300
friends and they actually witnessed it

1814
01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:10,760
crash into the ocean so they immediately

1815
01:29:16,010 --> 01:29:13,080
uh called

1816
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,020
um the police they came out they were

1817
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,960
very concerned that uh if a plane went

1818
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:21,120
down that they wanted to get the

1819
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:24,260
survivors so they rode out in a boat

1820
01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:26,760
they didn't find anything but as they

1821
01:29:30,910 --> 01:29:28,679
were rowing out what they did see was

1822
01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:30,920
sort of like the this orb

1823
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:35,100
sort of glowing yellow orangey or

1824
01:29:41,390 --> 01:29:38,340
bobbing in the water and all of this

1825
01:29:45,649 --> 01:29:41,400
yellow foam that spread out far and wide

1826
01:29:48,129 --> 01:29:45,659
around it right now as I got closer

1827
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:48,139
it sank

1828
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,840
and so uh what they did is they got a

1829
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,760
couple of fishermen to come out and then

1830
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:55,920
more boats came out and then when they

1831
01:30:01,209 --> 01:29:58,139
didn't find anybody

1832
01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:01,219
um I think it was a a couple days later

1833
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,139
uh they had the um

1834
01:30:10,450 --> 01:30:07,199
uh the Navy come out they you know they

1835
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:10,460
went down they couldn't find anything so

1836
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:13,980
uh so nobody really thought that this

1837
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:17,280
was a UFO until the next day they

1838
01:30:26,530 --> 01:30:21,540
started calling it a UFO well the RCMP

1839
01:30:31,729 --> 01:30:26,540
showed up yeah there were reports of um

1840
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:31,739
uh U.S military possibly uh United

1841
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:34,620
States Air Force uniform Personnel on

1842
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:37,080
the scene as well

1843
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:40,920
um I think a U.S Navy boat eventually up

1844
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,260
there two days later yes yeah two days

1845
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:46,320
later so this was a really big deal now

1846
01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:49,500
the the other part because shag Harbor

1847
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:54,060
uh to fishing town right and the you

1848
01:31:00,590 --> 01:30:56,760
know the the the the the fleet of

1849
01:31:01,870 --> 01:31:00,600
fishing boats went out and uh were

1850
01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:01,880
parked out there

1851
01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:04,260
thinking they were looking for survivors

1852
01:31:08,750 --> 01:31:06,780
of a plane crash right you know at the

1853
01:31:11,689 --> 01:31:08,760
time but they converged some of that

1854
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:11,699
area and everybody spoke about the same

1855
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:14,159
things that they did see a light under

1856
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:16,020
the water

1857
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,120
um and that this yellow foam was

1858
01:31:22,189 --> 01:31:19,920
everywhere but when they tried to scoop

1859
01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:22,199
it up it would dissolve out of their

1860
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:25,320
hands and and they were never really

1861
01:31:31,370 --> 01:31:28,560
able to to get the real stuff because it

1862
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,380
just uh it it dissolved back into water

1863
01:31:36,350 --> 01:31:34,080
when it was attached that's right that's

1864
01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:36,360
right yeah Chris uh I talked to Chris

1865
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:38,280
Styles about that who was a mufon

1866
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:40,980
investigator so uh he said the same

1867
01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:43,679
thing he said that they there's just

1868
01:31:48,410 --> 01:31:45,540
nothing there that they could even test

1869
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:48,420
you know because it did it just melted

1870
01:31:53,629 --> 01:31:49,679
away now

1871
01:31:57,490 --> 01:31:53,639
so back in 93 Chris Styles and Doug

1872
01:32:01,970 --> 01:31:57,500
Ledger they revived the incident

1873
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,980
and uh so what they did is they went and

1874
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:04,159
they interviewed the original Witnesses

1875
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:08,460
including the Navy divers and what they

1876
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:12,600
discovered was that the UFO also or a

1877
01:32:21,649 --> 01:32:16,560
Uso had been moved beneath the surface

1878
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:21,659
for 25 miles to Shelbourne Harbor which

1879
01:32:29,390 --> 01:32:24,239
is close to a NATO submarine detection

1880
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,400
base and that the Uso remained there

1881
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,440
um and the Navy vessel sort of moored

1882
01:32:38,209 --> 01:32:34,080
above it right and then after a few days

1883
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:38,219
they thought they would go down and uh

1884
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:42,000
see see uh what it is no you know they

1885
01:32:47,209 --> 01:32:43,980
knew what it is but they wanted to go

1886
01:32:49,729 --> 01:32:47,219
down and investigate it and

1887
01:32:52,370 --> 01:32:49,739
um anyway but all of a sudden a sec

1888
01:32:54,590 --> 01:32:52,380
second craft underwater matching that

1889
01:32:57,050 --> 01:32:54,600
craft pulled up alongside of it so they

1890
01:33:00,050 --> 01:32:57,060
just decided to watch it and after about

1891
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:00,060
two weeks of watching it then both ships

1892
01:33:04,570 --> 01:33:02,639
went up out towards Maine and they both

1893
01:33:07,610 --> 01:33:04,580
flew up and out of the water

1894
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:07,620
uh taking the secret of who and what

1895
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:09,900
they were now

1896
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:13,560
um when we hear those reports I mean

1897
01:33:19,729 --> 01:33:16,800
what it sounds to me

1898
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,739
um uh what it sounds like is that the

1899
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:21,600
second craft came in and repaired the

1900
01:33:27,290 --> 01:33:24,179
first one that's right it did that's

1901
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,300
exactly what they said now Chris uh

1902
01:33:31,090 --> 01:33:29,040
Chris said

1903
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:31,100
um

1904
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,900
I'm gonna Circle back because Chris is

1905
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,719
uh important here yeah weren't there

1906
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:38,880
reports of

1907
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:42,600
um uh you could see the two craft at the

1908
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,060
same time below the surface and that

1909
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:48,239
some reported like Sparks or possibly

1910
01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:51,480
welding or or something going on

1911
01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:55,080
I never heard that from Chris okay yeah

1912
01:34:00,649 --> 01:33:57,480
I never heard that from Chris but but

1913
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,659
here's a few things that he did say he

1914
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,120
said that the condom committee filed a

1915
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:06,000
report on shag Harbor that claims that

1916
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:08,639
when the object met the water it was two

1917
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:10,860
to three hundred yards offshore as we

1918
01:34:16,129 --> 01:34:13,080
already know besides the three police

1919
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:16,139
officers the report also listed 13 other

1920
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:19,800
witnesses to the crash uh but there were

1921
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:21,420
a number of other circumstances

1922
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:23,940
surrounding the event that raised some

1923
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:26,820
questions and here's a few of them the

1924
01:34:32,090 --> 01:34:29,760
U.S Navy flew a high altitude photo

1925
01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:32,100
reconnaissance mission in the Shag

1926
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:33,780
Harbor area

1927
01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:37,679
uh NORAD launched a 35-minute Strategic

1928
01:34:42,830 --> 01:34:40,260
Air Command operation over the crash

1929
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:42,840
site that was noted in appro's

1930
01:34:50,090 --> 01:34:45,199
preliminary report

1931
01:34:53,870 --> 01:34:50,100
and uh CFS Barrington bacaro and CFS

1932
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:53,880
Shelbourne the two nearest NORAD bases

1933
01:34:58,990 --> 01:34:56,880
Drew half of their staff from U.S

1934
01:35:02,950 --> 01:34:59,000
military personnel

1935
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:02,960
there was also talk of the second

1936
01:35:08,209 --> 01:35:06,360
simultaneous search for the USO in the

1937
01:35:11,390 --> 01:35:08,219
waters off shelbourne's County

1938
01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:11,400
government point this alleged research

1939
01:35:19,090 --> 01:35:14,760
is not noted in the art Canadian

1940
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,100
archival record but a unrelated

1941
01:35:24,169 --> 01:35:22,679
RCMP X-File refers to the Shelbourne

1942
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:24,179
operation

1943
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:27,840
right so yeah help me understand because

1944
01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:31,080
I've I've heard both and the both

1945
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:33,719
versions of how this ended kind of

1946
01:35:40,490 --> 01:35:36,840
conflict with each other right the

1947
01:35:44,270 --> 01:35:40,500
initial reports were the craft is has

1948
01:35:46,910 --> 01:35:44,280
crashed second craft comes in

1949
01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:46,920
um and is with the other craft for uh

1950
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:50,820
quite a number of days and then appears

1951
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,199
to be repaired and then they watched

1952
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,320
um the craft go out of shag Harbor leave

1953
01:36:03,649 --> 01:36:00,960
the harbor and then fly away and then

1954
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,659
the other reports so you have that and

1955
01:36:07,850 --> 01:36:05,760
that seems to me for my witnesses that

1956
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:07,860
lived in shag Harbor you have that and

1957
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:11,340
then you have the other reports that uh

1958
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:16,080
a U.S Navy salvage uh ship that was

1959
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,020
there on location towed it

1960
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,320
to Shelbourne which is 25 miles away so

1961
01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:24,480
if that happened where did the second

1962
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:27,020
ship come in did that go into Shelbourne

1963
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:30,960
or or is you know what I mean it's like

1964
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:35,460
two it did I would I would tend to

1965
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,460
believe the Chris Styles version because

1966
01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:42,239
he talked to the uh Navy divers he

1967
01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:45,780
talked to all of the witnesses right and

1968
01:36:51,169 --> 01:36:48,120
that when when the craft went down

1969
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,179
that's all at that original time that

1970
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:54,239
anybody thought is that it just sunk to

1971
01:37:00,610 --> 01:36:56,460
the depths and maybe that's where it lay

1972
01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:00,620
but then when he they reopened it in

1973
01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:03,960
1993 after interviewing everybody he

1974
01:37:10,030 --> 01:37:07,500
found out that they said the ship went

1975
01:37:13,390 --> 01:37:10,040
off to Shelbourne underneath the water

1976
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,400
and then a few days later a sister craft

1977
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:16,560
came in which they don't know where that

1978
01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:19,620
craft came from right and seemed to be

1979
01:37:31,090 --> 01:37:22,440
there to help repair it

1980
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:34,729
no nobody nobody he never mentioned

1981
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:38,280
anything about it getting towed right

1982
01:37:42,830 --> 01:37:41,820
such a fascinating case and now there

1983
01:37:46,570 --> 01:37:42,840
were

1984
01:37:50,689 --> 01:37:46,580
um uh before the craft crashed

1985
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:50,699
it was cited in the sky and and made a

1986
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:51,600
turn

1987
01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:55,139
um all the way uh as far south as the

1988
01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:57,179
United States it was seen out over the

1989
01:38:01,610 --> 01:37:59,940
Atlantic Ocean and then and made a turn

1990
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,620
in the sky

1991
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:03,840
um and and headed towards shag Harbor

1992
01:38:09,410 --> 01:38:06,600
right there there were multiple reports

1993
01:38:10,689 --> 01:38:09,420
of of UFOs that same evening on the East

1994
01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:10,699
Coast

1995
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:15,179
yes and how they how it Chris described

1996
01:38:21,709 --> 01:38:18,719
it is he said it nose dived at a 45

1997
01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:21,719
degree angle into the water

1998
01:38:29,149 --> 01:38:26,100
right and during its descent it made a

1999
01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:29,159
whistling noise then a whooshing sound

2000
01:38:37,850 --> 01:38:34,850
now

2001
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:37,860
um okay so that's shag Harbor and and in

2002
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:41,580
that area of uh the the extreme

2003
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:44,940
Northeast right of yeah of of North

2004
01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:47,460
America have the sightings continued

2005
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:49,340
there

2006
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:52,679
uh I haven't heard anything of the

2007
01:38:56,689 --> 01:38:54,900
sightings uh being there in shag Harbor

2008
01:39:00,169 --> 01:38:56,699
you know sometimes these are like

2009
01:39:02,090 --> 01:39:00,179
one-offs and it seems to be like that's

2010
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:02,100
what it is

2011
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,639
um here like in Los Angeles and all

2012
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,440
these other things you know we know we

2013
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:09,840
see them all the time I tell people to

2014
01:39:16,729 --> 01:39:13,860
look up I mean uh I I told the agent to

2015
01:39:19,790 --> 01:39:16,739
always look up into the sky he did he

2016
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:19,800
photographed a perfectly shaped silver

2017
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:23,040
donut just like the ones from the Maury

2018
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:25,560
island incident over Hollywood

2019
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:29,100
wow yeah it was pretty amazing and then

2020
01:39:35,649 --> 01:39:33,719
a uh producer director uh caught one uh

2021
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:35,659
on film as well

2022
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:39,300
and uh that kind of thing so uh if if

2023
01:39:43,129 --> 01:39:40,800
you look up and you see something

2024
01:39:45,530 --> 01:39:43,139
glinting if you you know you have a good

2025
01:39:47,450 --> 01:39:45,540
camera or whatever you you know

2026
01:39:49,790 --> 01:39:47,460
photograph it as close as possible and

2027
01:39:53,090 --> 01:39:49,800
then if you blow it up you can see but

2028
01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:53,100
but that donut shape one was I mean it

2029
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:55,980
was perfect it was like it was no doubt

2030
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:59,159
that that's what it was it wasn't blurry

2031
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:01,760
it wasn't anything it was like Perfect

2032
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:06,960
all I do is especially uh at night no I

2033
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,040
dude I'm looking up all the time I'm I'm

2034
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:14,159
never looking at my feet I don't care if

2035
01:40:19,490 --> 01:40:17,280
I'm not anything you know I'll drive one

2036
01:40:22,610 --> 01:40:19,500
eye is is out the window you know

2037
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:22,620
constantly I am always looking you just

2038
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:25,080
never know you never know

2039
01:40:31,970 --> 01:40:29,340
um now uh what about uh you know Roswell

2040
01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:31,980
New Mexico of course we have Socorro

2041
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:35,219
right one of my friends we do we do well

2042
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:37,560
I think you know I think that's a you

2043
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,320
know a really interesting thing

2044
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,199
um a lot of people don't know this but

2045
01:40:49,250 --> 01:40:45,840
uh Dr Frank strange is you know a

2046
01:40:52,930 --> 01:40:49,260
stranger at the Pentagon he uh he

2047
01:40:59,390 --> 01:40:52,940
produced a documentary called phenomena

2048
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:59,400
7.7 which means 7.7 of all cases are uh

2049
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:01,199
unsolved or solved I can't remember

2050
01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:04,920
exactly what that meant and it was one

2051
01:41:09,890 --> 01:41:06,900
of the very first interviews that Lonnie

2052
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:09,900
Zamora gave in that actual thing now

2053
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:12,780
when I used to go to Dr Frank's office I

2054
01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:15,540
always saw the film sitting there uh you

2055
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,880
know in a can and

2056
01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:20,880
um and when James Fox was doing uh not

2057
01:41:28,010 --> 01:41:22,940
this past documentary but the one before

2058
01:41:31,790 --> 01:41:28,020
he called me and and we really we did

2059
01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:31,800
everything to locate that film and uh it

2060
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,239
just vanished I don't know what happened

2061
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:35,040
to it but uh

2062
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:37,500
but you know thank God we have things

2063
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:41,280
like uh Unsolved Mysteries you can see

2064
01:41:47,390 --> 01:41:44,100
uh you know the Robert Stack show they

2065
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:47,400
interviewed it they did a great job

2066
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:51,000
um of telling the story as well

2067
01:41:56,689 --> 01:41:54,960
um you know it was documented uh J Ellen

2068
01:42:00,590 --> 01:41:56,699
heineck said it was one of his favorite

2069
01:42:04,729 --> 01:42:00,600
cases everyone really believed Lonnie

2070
01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:04,739
Zamora and uh although that there really

2071
01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:08,580
wasn't any proof of it

2072
01:42:12,530 --> 01:42:10,980
um in the actual book by the way you

2073
01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:12,540
know I know a lot of people are very

2074
01:42:17,870 --> 01:42:15,659
interested in this but you know I give

2075
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:17,880
you the exact coordinates where that

2076
01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:20,639
ship landed so if you wanted to go to it

2077
01:42:25,970 --> 01:42:23,580
you could the exact coordinates of well

2078
01:42:28,689 --> 01:42:25,980
where Valiant Thor's ship is stationed

2079
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:28,699
at Lake Mead the coordinates where

2080
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:34,020
adamsky met uh orthon uh you know and uh

2081
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:36,600
Travis or this thing the exact

2082
01:42:41,149 --> 01:42:39,239
coordinates to that that's a little uh

2083
01:42:45,410 --> 01:42:41,159
more harder

2084
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:45,420
um but uh you know because people like

2085
01:42:51,709 --> 01:42:48,000
going to the sites and uh just feeling

2086
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:51,719
the energy of those sites as well

2087
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:53,400
um and you know in the book everybody

2088
01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:57,840
gets the story but uh you know at the at

2089
01:43:03,229 --> 01:43:00,300
the end of each chapter

2090
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:03,239
you know you get the things to do in

2091
01:43:08,510 --> 01:43:06,960
that area the contacts uh the sources if

2092
01:43:11,090 --> 01:43:08,520
you want to read more like I've got

2093
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:11,100
Chris's book in here uh which is really

2094
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:13,619
really good by the way

2095
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:24,649
it seems that where we have uh

2096
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,320
photographs right we've got other visual

2097
01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:29,760
stuff

2098
01:43:38,990 --> 01:43:33,300
um we've got a incredibly detailed story

2099
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:39,000
of you where did Valiant Thor first

2100
01:43:43,370 --> 01:43:41,760
surface I'm just gonna say in pop

2101
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:43,380
culture let's just go there you know

2102
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:48,239
what did that come from Frank or yeah it

2103
01:43:54,590 --> 01:43:52,260
did yeah okay here here's my hypothesis

2104
01:43:57,950 --> 01:43:54,600
of of the story because you know

2105
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:57,960
remember I I was very close to Dr Frank

2106
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:00,840
the last seven eight years of his life I

2107
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:04,139
interviewed him every week about his

2108
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,500
adventures with uh Valiant Thor his crew

2109
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:09,840
being on board the ship the Starship

2110
01:44:16,330 --> 01:44:13,260
little things like that

2111
01:44:22,209 --> 01:44:16,340
um and uh

2112
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:22,219
and he uh he first met him on December

2113
01:44:27,790 --> 01:44:26,040
24th Christmas Eve at the Pentagon in

2114
01:44:34,570 --> 01:44:27,800
1959

2115
01:44:39,169 --> 01:44:34,580
uh and then he again uh met him in

2116
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:39,179
1961. and uh valiantthorpe stayed in

2117
01:44:46,810 --> 01:44:42,060
touch with him he invited him to tour

2118
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:46,820
Victor one in 1967.

2119
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:49,760
and that was the year that Dr Frank

2120
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:53,159
released his book a stranger at the

2121
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,280
Pentagon right about that story now uh I

2122
01:45:03,950 --> 01:45:01,679
believe the date at the Menger Farm

2123
01:45:06,609 --> 01:45:03,960
where the photos were taken by August

2124
01:45:10,609 --> 01:45:06,619
Roberts a retired Air Force photographer

2125
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:10,619
and amateur ufologist

2126
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:15,480
um I believe those were taken in 1958.

2127
01:45:22,430 --> 01:45:18,719
um I think Valiant Thor knew that they

2128
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:22,440
weren't going to accept his proposal on

2129
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:27,119
how to uh uh eliminate sickness disease

2130
01:45:31,790 --> 01:45:29,340
prolonged life

2131
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:31,800
um you know he was grooming Eisenhower

2132
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:35,040
on the ways of the universe and you know

2133
01:45:40,850 --> 01:45:38,880
uh atomics and free energy and all of

2134
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:40,860
that kind of stuff

2135
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:43,860
um uh although Eisenhower and Nixon were

2136
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,440
for it uh it was the other powers that

2137
01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:49,679
be from what I understand uh that

2138
01:45:55,729 --> 01:45:53,460
rejected it so I believe that he took a

2139
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:55,739
little field trip knowing that he would

2140
01:46:01,850 --> 01:45:59,219
be photographed and how the photo ends

2141
01:46:05,450 --> 01:46:01,860
up with Dr Frank is quite an interesting

2142
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:05,460
story is that August Roberts is there

2143
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,920
this is in Highbridge New Jersey Dr

2144
01:46:11,410 --> 01:46:10,139
Frank is living with his first wife in

2145
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:11,420
New Jersey

2146
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:15,679
and uh as we know uh with Howard Menger

2147
01:46:23,090 --> 01:46:20,420
their uh it was a UFO hotspot of

2148
01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:23,100
extraterrestrials who were in contact

2149
01:46:29,330 --> 01:46:26,460
with him from all over our galaxy so

2150
01:46:31,970 --> 01:46:29,340
says Menger right he also says he was

2151
01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:31,980
taken to the back side of the moon

2152
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,300
Etc he photographed venusian craft and

2153
01:46:41,810 --> 01:46:38,880
things as well the same stuff that

2154
01:46:44,890 --> 01:46:41,820
adamski was photographing in the same

2155
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:44,900
era right just on two different coasts

2156
01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:49,800
so uh anyway so the very next day August

2157
01:46:55,490 --> 01:46:53,400
Roberts calls Dr Frank and says

2158
01:46:57,950 --> 01:46:55,500
um I got some pictures I want to show

2159
01:47:00,410 --> 01:46:57,960
you and so he goes over and he shows it

2160
01:47:02,090 --> 01:47:00,420
to him and he says those are space

2161
01:47:05,330 --> 01:47:02,100
people and he says well how do you know

2162
01:47:11,209 --> 01:47:05,340
they're space people and

2163
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,219
um uh Howard had a secret handshake with

2164
01:47:16,010 --> 01:47:14,159
the visitors so if they shook his hand

2165
01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:16,020
in a certain way

2166
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:19,380
he knew they were a visitor and August

2167
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:23,400
got confirmation from Menger that they

2168
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,400
did shake his hand in that way really so

2169
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,320
but yeah do you know the secret

2170
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:30,000
handshake

2171
01:47:34,129 --> 01:47:32,340
while Valiant Thor came to me in a dream

2172
01:47:37,129 --> 01:47:34,139
because I wanted to know the secret

2173
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:37,139
handshake and I I said can I shake your

2174
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:40,260
hand sir and he did

2175
01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:43,199
okay next time I'm with you I'll do it

2176
01:47:47,629 --> 01:47:45,420
for you dude I want the secretary I'll

2177
01:47:51,950 --> 01:47:47,639
I'll do it for you so

2178
01:47:55,250 --> 01:47:51,960
um did you see the movie the 11th green

2179
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:55,260
no what's that okay you've got to check

2180
01:48:02,510 --> 01:47:58,560
it if this is as far as E.T contact

2181
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:02,520
movies go yeah this is a independent

2182
01:48:09,530 --> 01:48:06,560
film this is tippity toppity top

2183
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:09,540
right the 11th green

2184
01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:12,360
um I'm not too sure when it came out

2185
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,420
um but I saw it I think I saw it shortly

2186
01:48:19,729 --> 01:48:18,000
after it was released so two years ago

2187
01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:19,739
um it's somewhere in there

2188
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:22,440
um and uh so write it down the 11th

2189
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:25,860
green it's about the 11th green

2190
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:28,800
it's uh that's a golf reference right

2191
01:48:33,649 --> 01:48:32,460
11th green the 11th hole

2192
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,659
um

2193
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:36,080
Eisenhower

2194
01:48:44,750 --> 01:48:41,280
and it's the confessions of one of the

2195
01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:44,760
people that worked with Eisen so anyway

2196
01:48:49,010 --> 01:48:46,980
um it all takes place in Palm Springs I

2197
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:49,020
don't want to give away the movie but in

2198
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:50,100
the movie

2199
01:48:55,330 --> 01:48:52,159
is

2200
01:48:57,950 --> 01:48:55,340
the Valiant Thor

2201
01:49:02,030 --> 01:48:57,960
discussion with Eisenhower it's it's

2202
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:02,040
part it's part of this movie and uh it's

2203
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:04,260
a fascinating it's a great it it I don't

2204
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:05,580
want to get into any more than that

2205
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:06,900
because it's not going to be what you

2206
01:49:11,229 --> 01:49:09,600
think right um

2207
01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:11,239
um

2208
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:14,280
you just got to watch it the ghost of

2209
01:49:20,050 --> 01:49:17,100
Obama is in there too as well Barack

2210
01:49:23,209 --> 01:49:20,060
it's got to see it man

2211
01:49:25,790 --> 01:49:23,219
it's called the 11th green and uh

2212
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,800
Campbell Scott is is the star and I

2213
01:49:31,129 --> 01:49:28,320
think uh he's a he's a great actor

2214
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:31,139
um but now back to Frank strangest okay

2215
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,000
Valiant Thor

2216
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,280
do you remember the TV series I love

2217
01:49:43,490 --> 01:49:37,920
talking Hollywood stuff you remember UFO

2218
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:43,500
right okay out of uh 1969 1970 71

2219
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:45,780
um out of the UK

2220
01:49:51,950 --> 01:49:49,440
um there is an episode there it I I

2221
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:51,960
think UFO was just one season like 26

2222
01:49:55,010 --> 01:49:53,580
episodes or something but one of the

2223
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:55,020
episodes

2224
01:50:01,490 --> 01:49:59,520
so they're doing this uh uh like uh a

2225
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:01,500
UFO talk show

2226
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:05,159
in in great and this scene they're

2227
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:06,960
looking at this TV screen then they cut

2228
01:50:11,090 --> 01:50:08,760
to the set but they're watching it on TV

2229
01:50:13,010 --> 01:50:11,100
and it goes okay so we're talking about

2230
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:13,020
the UFO phenomenon today and what

2231
01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:14,820
contact may be and we're talking with

2232
01:50:20,890 --> 01:50:19,380
UFO researcher Dr Frank strangest of the

2233
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:20,900
United States

2234
01:50:28,129 --> 01:50:22,679
there he is

2235
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:28,139
he's in an episode of UFO oh my God yeah

2236
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:30,000
yeah with his gliding the thing and he's

2237
01:50:35,149 --> 01:50:31,739
just sitting there he's in a suit

2238
01:50:38,270 --> 01:50:35,159
and uh yeah yeah you gotta check it out

2239
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,280
and Yeah well it's pretty well spoken in

2240
01:50:44,570 --> 01:50:41,280
this and it's it's pretty interesting on

2241
01:50:45,709 --> 01:50:44,580
on uh his comments on how they are

2242
01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:45,719
getting here

2243
01:50:51,470 --> 01:50:47,880
yeah yeah it's pretty cool pretty cool

2244
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:51,480
oh yeah absolutely yeah so you know

2245
01:50:58,370 --> 01:50:54,600
anyway uh August uh told them the whole

2246
01:51:01,550 --> 01:50:58,380
story he gave them he gave him uh some

2247
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,560
of the pictures and Dr flank uh Dr Frank

2248
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:04,080
blew up one of valiant Thor he would put

2249
01:51:11,890 --> 01:51:07,980
it on his board he's in Washington DC uh

2250
01:51:15,470 --> 01:51:11,900
in December around Christmas time 1959

2251
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:15,480
and he spoke this particular night on

2252
01:51:21,890 --> 01:51:19,440
UFOs in the Bible for this church and he

2253
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:21,900
was a guest speaker I guess Pastor for

2254
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:24,960
two weeks there right and

2255
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:28,320
um and afterwards a woman approached him

2256
01:51:34,129 --> 01:51:31,080
and said that she must speak with him

2257
01:51:34,930 --> 01:51:34,139
and she points wait wait wait I need to

2258
01:51:39,169 --> 01:51:34,940
understand

2259
01:51:42,350 --> 01:51:39,179
Valiant Thor was a guest Pastor no no no

2260
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:42,360
Dr Frank was oh Dr Frank Lewis Dr Frank

2261
01:51:49,010 --> 01:51:45,659
was but what he did was is he would then

2262
01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:49,020
blew up the picture of valiant Thor and

2263
01:51:53,930 --> 01:51:51,000
he put it up on the board with his other

2264
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,940
UFO pictures and then he would just tell

2265
01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:56,639
the story that August told him and say

2266
01:52:03,229 --> 01:51:58,920
this is an alleged man from somewhere

2267
01:52:06,350 --> 01:52:03,239
else so now we we fast forward to uh

2268
01:52:10,370 --> 01:52:06,360
Washington DC when he's giving this talk

2269
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:10,380
after the talk a woman comes up to him

2270
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,679
flashes her Pentagon badge points to his

2271
01:52:20,270 --> 01:52:16,560
picture and says he wants to speak with

2272
01:52:22,490 --> 01:52:20,280
you and uh Dr Frank said you have my

2273
01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:22,500
undivided attention they went back into

2274
01:52:29,870 --> 01:52:27,540
uh the pastor's office she picked him up

2275
01:52:35,209 --> 01:52:29,880
the next morning brought him to the

2276
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:35,219
Pentagon and where he had uh anywhere I

2277
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:36,960
think it was like a half hour to 40

2278
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:39,900
minute conversation

2279
01:52:46,729 --> 01:52:43,739
um with Valiant in a just in a in a room

2280
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:46,739
in the Pentagon uh you know down a

2281
01:52:51,890 --> 01:52:49,380
hallway I mean George feiler told me he

2282
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:51,900
was he was there at the Pentagon during

2283
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:54,480
that time and when he was walking down

2284
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:57,060
the hallway one of the guys with him

2285
01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:00,560
said you know uh that guy's in there the

2286
01:53:05,570 --> 01:53:02,580
extraterrestrials in there

2287
01:53:08,810 --> 01:53:05,580
so uh so that was a place where he would

2288
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,820
go and work out of uh during the day

2289
01:53:12,350 --> 01:53:10,800
look at what Camille this is a married

2290
01:53:16,990 --> 01:53:12,360
woman

2291
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:17,000
Valley and Thor was hot hot yeah

2292
01:53:23,930 --> 01:53:20,940
and I am so calling your husband after

2293
01:53:25,870 --> 01:53:23,940
the show tell him what you're doing in

2294
01:53:28,729 --> 01:53:25,880
the chat room

2295
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:28,739
so cool it is pretty darn handsome yeah

2296
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:32,940
he was he he knew how to dress too so

2297
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:35,820
um now is it true we're almost out of

2298
01:53:41,930 --> 01:53:39,840
time okay that but but this is what

2299
01:53:44,209 --> 01:53:41,940
um I remember in those famous

2300
01:53:46,189 --> 01:53:44,219
photographs right with Valiant sitting

2301
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,199
you know in that row you know and he's

2302
01:53:51,410 --> 01:53:48,239
got a crowd that everybody in the

2303
01:53:55,129 --> 01:53:51,420
picture has been identified but him

2304
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:55,139
right well we can we you know everybody

2305
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,320
that's there we know who they are except

2306
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:00,000
for Valiant

2307
01:54:06,290 --> 01:54:03,480
well we there's Valiant the guy next to

2308
01:54:09,709 --> 01:54:06,300
him looking straight forward is his vice

2309
01:54:13,010 --> 01:54:09,719
Commander Dawn and then the blonde woman

2310
01:54:16,910 --> 01:54:13,020
next to Dawn is valiant's other Vice

2311
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,920
Commander Zan's wife and they call her

2312
01:54:22,970 --> 01:54:18,239
Jill

2313
01:54:25,070 --> 01:54:22,980
now the other people that were around I

2314
01:54:27,649 --> 01:54:25,080
don't know who they are I do know that

2315
01:54:31,010 --> 01:54:27,659
Jim Mosley is sitting in the background

2316
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:31,020
when he was a very young man I I spoke

2317
01:54:35,450 --> 01:54:32,880
to Jim about it several times he doesn't

2318
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:35,460
even remember being there but he said

2319
01:54:42,590 --> 01:54:37,500
that was him

2320
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:42,600
um as well Greg Barker was there as well

2321
01:54:50,990 --> 01:54:46,320
um you know from cesarean press

2322
01:54:53,629 --> 01:54:51,000
um and uh and that's that's all I mean

2323
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:53,639
all those other people I don't know who

2324
01:54:59,390 --> 01:54:56,340
they were I've never heard that they've

2325
01:55:00,290 --> 01:54:59,400
been identified or anything of that

2326
01:55:03,530 --> 01:55:00,300
nature

2327
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:03,540
so what what did we do I know you you

2328
01:55:09,169 --> 01:55:06,960
you you made the movie but what do we do

2329
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:09,179
with this Valiant Thor

2330
01:55:17,450 --> 01:55:14,239
um story do we do we chalk it up to

2331
01:55:18,970 --> 01:55:17,460
Fantastic writing and storytelling on

2332
01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:18,980
the part of Frank

2333
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,260
or uh you know and and it you know it's

2334
01:55:27,410 --> 01:55:24,960
mythology it's folklore and and and

2335
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:27,420
we'll just leave it right there

2336
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,860
or are we talking about a real event and

2337
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:34,739
a real person and he lived you know in

2338
01:55:41,090 --> 01:55:37,380
an apartment underneath the Pentagon for

2339
01:55:42,649 --> 01:55:41,100
a couple of years and and that he was a

2340
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:42,659
he was a real figure and he's part of

2341
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:44,880
History what do we do with this

2342
01:55:50,090 --> 01:55:47,760
well I think that you know I'm I'm

2343
01:55:52,850 --> 01:55:50,100
raising money to make the big feature

2344
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:52,860
film now as well which will tell the big

2345
01:55:57,950 --> 01:55:55,980
rounded out part of the story right I I

2346
01:56:01,370 --> 01:55:57,960
just made the short film to raise the

2347
01:56:02,090 --> 01:56:01,380
money uh for that but

2348
01:56:05,689 --> 01:56:02,100
um

2349
01:56:07,729 --> 01:56:05,699
I I look at it this way I when you know

2350
01:56:10,490 --> 01:56:07,739
I first met Dr Frank I always thought

2351
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,500
the story was fantastic I always thought

2352
01:56:14,689 --> 01:56:12,960
it was great but you know everyone still

2353
01:56:17,090 --> 01:56:14,699
has a little bit of doubt in their mind

2354
01:56:20,209 --> 01:56:17,100
and that kind of thing

2355
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:20,219
um but I will tell you what convinced me

2356
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:22,080
was

2357
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:25,320
um several little things happened uh

2358
01:56:32,209 --> 01:56:29,280
this is the bigger one uh I I got very

2359
01:56:35,450 --> 01:56:32,219
sick I was sick for several days I had

2360
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:35,460
to be rushed to the doctor's office

2361
01:56:40,370 --> 01:56:38,639
um I I my stomach was killing me they

2362
01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:40,380
gave me a bunch of stuff nothing worked

2363
01:56:44,209 --> 01:56:42,300
they put me in an ambulance sent me to

2364
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,219
the hospital

2365
01:56:48,290 --> 01:56:46,080
um this was like an all-day affair they

2366
01:56:50,750 --> 01:56:48,300
took x-rays said that I had a bowel

2367
01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:50,760
obstruction and that I was going to have

2368
01:56:57,290 --> 01:56:54,060
to be operated on in the morning uh my

2369
01:56:59,390 --> 01:56:57,300
friend she left me there

2370
01:57:01,550 --> 01:56:59,400
um and in the middle of the night I woke

2371
01:57:04,490 --> 01:57:01,560
up in Twilight he has another Vice

2372
01:57:07,250 --> 01:57:04,500
Commander named teal and I know what

2373
01:57:10,370 --> 01:57:07,260
teal looks like and I felt her standing

2374
01:57:12,830 --> 01:57:10,380
over me and all of a sudden I felt

2375
01:57:15,169 --> 01:57:12,840
zillions of tiny little bubbles going

2376
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,179
through my intestines

2377
01:57:20,209 --> 01:57:17,520
and I just knew when I woke up in the

2378
01:57:23,450 --> 01:57:20,219
morning I was going to be fine

2379
01:57:25,729 --> 01:57:23,460
now I went back into sleep and when I

2380
01:57:28,729 --> 01:57:25,739
woke up in the morning I was on my side

2381
01:57:32,570 --> 01:57:28,739
and who was sitting in the chair next to

2382
01:57:35,089 --> 01:57:32,580
my bedside is Dr Frank strangers and he

2383
01:57:37,490 --> 01:57:35,099
said teal called me early this morning

2384
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:37,500
told me to get down here and tell you

2385
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:40,320
that she fixed you up last night

2386
01:57:46,189 --> 01:57:43,440
so when the doctor came in I said I feel

2387
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:46,199
100 better they did they redid the

2388
01:57:53,629 --> 01:57:48,239
x-rays everything was fine and I walked

2389
01:58:04,250 --> 01:57:55,669
New Mexico

2390
01:58:07,970 --> 01:58:04,260
know and I I understand Trinity and and

2391
01:58:11,390 --> 01:58:07,980
uh you know the atomic connection and

2392
01:58:14,270 --> 01:58:11,400
Los Alamos and and Oppenheimer and the

2393
01:58:15,649 --> 01:58:14,280
crew and I get all of that I do

2394
01:58:21,129 --> 01:58:15,659
but

2395
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:21,139
um it's not just Roswell there have been

2396
01:58:27,410 --> 01:58:25,440
numerous significant events in the state

2397
01:58:30,290 --> 01:58:27,420
of New Mexico

2398
01:58:33,530 --> 01:58:30,300
um and I I'm sure that they predated the

2399
01:58:37,790 --> 01:58:33,540
nuclear age uh as well what is it about

2400
01:58:42,890 --> 01:58:37,800
New Mexico well I as we've seen over

2401
01:58:48,350 --> 01:58:42,900
over quite a a lot of uh time is that

2402
01:58:50,750 --> 01:58:48,360
um uh uaps are found uh in and around

2403
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:50,760
military bases because they're keeping

2404
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:52,260
an eye on them we know that they've

2405
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:54,060
turned off their nukes

2406
01:59:00,350 --> 01:58:57,119
and then they've turned them back on so

2407
01:59:03,229 --> 01:59:00,360
I think they're around there um there

2408
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,239
were God I can't remember if it was

2409
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,239
Steven Greer or who said it but you know

2410
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they were saying that some of the towers

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01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:12,659
that they had up around uh New Mexico

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01:59:19,550 --> 01:59:15,840
Los Alamos and that kind of stuff we're

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01:59:21,770 --> 01:59:19,560
tripping up with the way that these

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01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:21,780
saucers were flown and that's what

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01:59:26,209 --> 01:59:24,360
caused them to crash

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01:59:28,990 --> 01:59:26,219
um I have to go back and look at that

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01:59:33,890 --> 01:59:29,000
but there was something to that nature

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01:59:36,410 --> 01:59:33,900
but uh but I mean who knows I mean I I

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01:59:39,229 --> 01:59:36,420
don't know but I think that they're

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01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:39,239
definitely watching all the military

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01:59:43,669 --> 01:59:41,159
bases they're not gonna they don't want

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01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:43,679
to let anything get blown up I mean

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01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:47,280
there's one woman who actually uh father

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01:59:52,850 --> 01:59:48,800
was in the military

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01:59:54,350 --> 01:59:52,860
and she uh was taken out into the middle

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01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:54,360
of the desert because they were told

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01:59:59,629 --> 01:59:56,820
they were going to meet uh somebody from

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02:00:01,970 --> 01:59:59,639
another planet and lo and behold it was

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02:00:07,250 --> 02:00:01,980
Valiant Thor and Dr Frank strangers was

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with him and so I interviewed her and

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02:00:14,750 --> 02:00:10,260
um she said at that time

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um it was a lot about the uh Cuban

2433
02:00:21,050 --> 02:00:17,760
Missile Crisis and all of that and they

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02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:21,060
were terrified that

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02:00:24,890 --> 02:00:22,560
um you know everyone was going to get

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02:00:26,689 --> 02:00:24,900
blown up and he said you know don't

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02:00:28,250 --> 02:00:26,699
worry that's one of the reasons that I'm

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02:00:30,109 --> 02:00:28,260
here that's one of the reasons that

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02:00:31,609 --> 02:00:30,119
we're here we're gonna make sure that

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02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:31,619
that never happened

2441
02:00:36,709 --> 02:00:33,599
yeah over

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02:00:37,870 --> 02:00:36,719
um Albuquerque Los Alamos and and in

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02:00:40,850 --> 02:00:37,880
that area

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02:00:45,169 --> 02:00:40,860
in uh the 1940s

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02:00:46,609 --> 02:00:45,179
they that the scientists there and you

2446
02:00:48,770 --> 02:00:46,619
have to remember back then that it

2447
02:00:51,790 --> 02:00:48,780
wasn't what it is today we're just

2448
02:00:55,790 --> 02:00:51,800
talking about desert right yeah

2449
02:00:59,450 --> 02:00:55,800
they uh were seeing these green balls of

2450
02:01:01,970 --> 02:00:59,460
light in the sky sometimes in groups

2451
02:01:05,750 --> 02:01:01,980
um over uh Los Alamos and over

2452
02:01:10,850 --> 02:01:05,760
Albuquerque and it got so bad that they

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02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:10,860
installed three sets of radar in a

2454
02:01:16,490 --> 02:01:13,199
triangle that's right yeah yeah yeah

2455
02:01:19,089 --> 02:01:16,500
yeah yeah this is way before Roswell

2456
02:01:23,629 --> 02:01:19,099
well and also after Roswell too as well

2457
02:01:26,990 --> 02:01:23,639
but uh before all of this and it it's

2458
02:01:30,109 --> 02:01:27,000
right there yes that's exactly what it

2459
02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:30,119
was it was the radar yeah that's exactly

2460
02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:32,760
yeah yeah it's crazy crazy they talked

2461
02:01:38,030 --> 02:01:35,880
about that's amazing Craig the book is

2462
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:38,040
fascinating and uh you knocked another

2463
02:01:43,729 --> 02:01:40,800
one out of the park my man yay thank you

2464
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:43,739
it's called the UFO hotspot uh Craig's

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02:01:48,589 --> 02:01:45,360
links are below

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02:01:51,290 --> 02:01:48,599
um you can get this uh on Amazon but

2467
02:01:54,290 --> 02:01:51,300
also uh this is a mufon publication as

2468
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:54,300
well well it's published by mufon and

2469
02:01:59,510 --> 02:01:57,000
and Craig's websites are posted below

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02:02:02,870 --> 02:01:59,520
too as well great you're the absolute

2471
02:02:04,910 --> 02:02:02,880
very best my man thank you it was a

2472
02:02:07,129 --> 02:02:04,920
great weekend and it was so cool to have

2473
02:02:09,470 --> 02:02:07,139
you back on the show with this man thank

2474
02:02:10,970 --> 02:02:09,480
you so much Jimmy this was great I want

2475
02:02:14,810 --> 02:02:10,980
the secret handshake I'll talk to you

2476
02:02:18,770 --> 02:02:14,820
yes all right bro hi Craig campobasso

2477
02:02:20,990 --> 02:02:18,780
the book the UFO Hot Spot compendium it

2478
02:02:22,910 --> 02:02:21,000
is complete it's Illustrated it's a

2479
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:22,920
fantastic book I'm about halfway through

2480
02:02:30,530 --> 02:02:26,880
it right now so go and check it out and

2481
02:02:32,990 --> 02:02:30,540
uh there you go uh tomorrow night here

2482
02:02:35,930 --> 02:02:33,000
we are going to be talking about physics

2483
02:02:38,810 --> 02:02:35,940
tomorrow night and uh Einstein and

2484
02:02:42,770 --> 02:02:38,820
relativity and what is really going on

2485
02:02:45,770 --> 02:02:42,780
with our universe and we might be

2486
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:45,780
getting into UFOs craft propulsion

2487
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:47,280
systems we'll do all of that tomorrow

2488
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:50,520
night with Mark fiorentino tomorrow

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02:02:54,890 --> 02:02:53,280
night right here on Fade to Black I am

2490
02:02:57,649 --> 02:02:54,900
your host Jimmy Church fantastic show

2491
02:03:00,050 --> 02:02:57,659
tonight Craig campobaso is the absolute

2492
02:03:02,990 --> 02:03:00,060
very best and uh you've got to check out

2493
02:03:05,089 --> 02:03:03,000
the book it's great it's out now Fade to

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